[arin-ppml] Inter-RIR transfer Policy reciprocity with Afrinic_Resource Transfer Policy proposal

[Anthony Ubah]

Dear Fernando,

That is not quite accurate. Editorial change can still be carried out if
chairs allows, although it’s not the most ideal situation. As in this case,
which was as a result of recommendations by the chair, and editorial
changes were allowed by the chair.

Indeed it is fare if ARIN can accept a more “open” sort of interpretation.
in worst-case scenario, we will propose an urgent “ fix” to the policy in
order to prevent any possible misunderstanding.

Thanks

Anthony Ubah

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 4:44 PM Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Anthony and all
>
> To be very practical it doesn't matter much how this community interprets
> Afrinic's proposal at this stage.
>
> If ARIN staff interprets in a different way that's what matters really,
> and that interpretation has been provided to Afrinic staff already.
> Even though it was v2, v3 or v4 it is still ARIN staff's interpretation
> what will be done in practice not what this community understands.
>
> It would maybe be benefitial such discussion at a earlier stage as a
> feedback to the authors improve de text of the proposal, but right now
> there is nothing else that can be changed in the context of Afrinic.
>
> Fernando
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 09:49 John Curran, <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>
>> On 13 Oct 2020, at 3:33 AM, Anthony Ubah <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>> * Thank you for your clarification, but since the community serves as the
>> "supreme court of policies", the best place to seek answers would be PPML.*
>>
>>
>> Anthony –
>>
>> As it turns out, your statement above is incorrect in the ARIN region –
>> the ARIN PPML mailing list has a very specific purpose (discussion of
>> policy-related ideas and issues surrounding existing and proposed ARIN
>> policies), and ARIN’s formal membership structure provides very clear and
>> delineated roles for the ARIN Board, ARIN Advisory Council, ARIN staff and
>> the ARIN community – roles that might be differ from expectations held in
>> other regions.  (As it turns out, I am both keenly aware of these roles and
>> it is my job to speak to these matters on behalf of ARIN, hence the need to
>> correct your “supreme court of policies” assertion.)
>>
>> As I noted earlier – In this particular case, as the discussion of
>> compatibility is already underway on the list and may help inform
>> understanding of the operation of ARIN’s existing Inter-RIR transfer policy
>> – we will proceed here with discussion of the compatibility aspects of your
>> proposal.
>>
>>
>> In order to get the discussion moving, I’d like to get clarity on two
>>> questions regarding your proposed policy –
>>>
>>> *1. Does the policy impose any conditions on recipient organizations in
>>> the ARIN region receiving transfers from AFRINIC-served entities?*
>>>
>>
>> *No. The final version of this proposal indicates clearly that no
>> condition will be imposed on the recipient’s organization in other regions,
>> which obviously also applies to the case of ARIN.*
>>
>>>
>>> *2. Does the policy impose any conditions on source organizations in the
>>> ARIN region doing transfers to AFRINIC-served entities?*
>>>
>>> *No. The final version of this proposal indicates clearly that no
>> condition will be imposed on the source organizations in other regions,
>> which obviously also applies to the case of ARIN. *
>>
>> * This’s the intention of our proposal. If there are any unclear wordings
>> that may cause possible misunderstanding or confusion, please let us know. *
>>
>>
>> ARIN’s assessment of compatibility with other region’s inter-RIR transfer
>> policy follows the language in NRPM 8.4 requiring "reciprocal, compatible
>> needs-based policies.”
>>
>> Your indication that ARIN would not be required to assess transfer
>> requests from ARIN organizations against AFRINIC policy is a key
>> requirement of compatibility, and appears satisfied.
>>
>> The policy must also by “reciprocal” in nature (i.e. allowing transfers
>> both to & from organizations in the other region), and must support
>> needs-based assessment of any recipient – both of these conditions appear
>> satisfied by the proposed policy text that you sent earlier.
>>
>> Overall, I suspect that the proposed policy is compatible with the ARIN
>> InterRIR transfer policy requirements.  Formal confirmation of this will
>> require a staff assessment – which may be requested by AFRINIC staff at any
>> time.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> /John
>>
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>
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