[arin-ppml] Inter-RIR transfer Policy reciprocity with Afrinic_Resource Transfer Policy proposal

[Owen DeLong]

Wouldn’t “5.7.4.2 The recipient must be an ORG registered with the receiving RIR” be simpler and just as effective?

Owen


> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Anthony Ubah <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear John,
> 
> Thanks for your prompt reply. I'd like to point out the value for us to communicate directly rather than with intermediaries as it is a more effective process.
> 
> 5.7.4.2   The recipient must be an AFRINIC or any RIR member, legacy holders in any region
> 
> This clause is never intended to put a limit on the other RIR’s recipient requirement. It simply puts a requirement for the AFRINIC region.
> 
> As members are the only RIR customers in our region, it can be interpreted as "the recipient can be customers of other RIR". Will ARIN accept such clarification?
> 
> Or, would a rewording of “The transfer recipient must be an AFRINIC member or any RIR member or legacy holders in any region, or any kind of entities as other RIRs deem proper” better clarify our intention? We would prefer not to modify policy text at this late stage of policy proposal, but if ARIN insists, we will talk to the chairs in our policy community to see if such editorial change would be acceptable.
> 
> As policy author, we are not lawyers, nor do we consult with lawyers while we are writing policy proposal. We appreciate if ARIN can tolerate such fine wording in the policy text and accept a more open “intention” oriented interpretaion.
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Kind Regards, 
> 
> Anthony Ubah 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 3:28 PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
> On 13 Oct 2020, at 8:48 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 1. Does the policy impose any conditions on recipient organizations in the ARIN region receiving transfers from AFRINIC-served entities?
>>> 
>>> No. The final version of this proposal indicates clearly that no condition will be imposed on the recipient’s organization in other regions, which obviously also applies to the case of ARIN.
> 
> Anthony - 
> 
> We’re having trouble now reconciling your response above (regarding conditions of recipient organizations in the ARIN region) with the following statement in the provided policy text – 
> 
> "5.7.4.2   The recipient must be an AFRINIC or any RIR member, legacy holders in any region”
> 
> The way the policy text is written makes it very challenging to determine what criteria are to be applied by AFRINIC versus criteria that are to be applied to organizations served by other RIRs, and that was the reason for our two questions about regarding conditions to be imposed on ARIN-region organizations.   Our plain reading of 5.7.4.2 suggests that it would need to be applied by ARIN to ARIN-region recipients.  
> 
> If this is the case, then the proposed policy is not compatible with ARIN’s NRPM 8.4 requirements for compatible transfer policies – as ARIN would need to (despite your earlier response) apply this “member legacy holder” criteria when processing requests by ARIN customers to receive number resources via InterRIR transfer from AFRINIC-served customers.  
> 
> I will observe that there is a real risk of incompatibility when RIRs write specific policy criteria to be applied by other RIRs; in this case, it is worth noting that not all ARIN customers are members or legacy resource holders, and thus the proposed policy as written would not be available to a significant portion of the ARIN community.  (This conflict also points out the value of staff involvement in formal review of proposed InterRIR transfer policies, as there are many details that need to align for smooth transfer processing.)
> 
> Thanks,
> /John
> 
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> 
> 
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