[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN 2020-3

scott at solarnetone.org scott at solarnetone.org
Mon Nov 16 19:18:19 EST 2020


Hi Owen,

The contract I signed says otherwise, as was discussed further down this 
thread.

Scott

> 
> Nope… Andrew is correct. You are not considered an ISP for these purposes
> unless you are making reallocations or reassignments of the number resources
> registered to you by ARIN.
> 
> 
> Owen
> 
>
>       Scott
> 
> 
> 
>
>                         Andrew
>
>                         On 10/12/2020 12:26 PM,
>                         scott at solarnetone.org wrote:
>                               Hi Chris,
>
>                               I wonder what
>                               percentage of
>                               2x-small
>                               Resource holders
>                               have a /24 of
>                               v4, and would
>                               otherwise
>                               qualify for
>                               3x-small status
>                               but for their v6
>                               allocations, and
>                               what percentage
>                               of all ASs
>                               registered with
>                               ARIN that
>                               represents. 
>                               This represents
>                               the the total
>                               who could
>                               "downgrade" to a
>                               nano-allocation,
>                               were that a
>                               option.  It
>                               would be easy to
>                               derive from
>                               that the maximum
>                               effect on ARIN's
>                               finances, if
>                               they all chose
>                               to take
>                               that option.
>
>                               Scott
>
>                               On Mon, 12 Oct
>                               2020, Chris
>                               Woodfield wrote:
>
>                                     Agreed.
>                                     To
>                                     be
>                                     clear,
>                                     I
>                                     did
>                                     not
>                                     intend
>                                     for
>                                     my
>                                     question
>                                     to
>                                     imply
>                                     that
>                                     the
>                                     goal
>                                     of
>                                     keeping
>                                     the
>                                     proposal
>                                     revenue-neutral
>                                     was
>                                     in
>                                     any
>                                     way
>                                     dishonorable
>                                     -
>                                     ARIN’s
>                                     financial
>                                     stability
>                                     is
>                                     obviously
>                                     in
>                                     the
>                                     community’s
>                                     best
>                                     interests.
>                                     But
>                                     we
>                                     should
>                                     have
>                                     informed
>                                     consent
>                                     as
>                                     to
>                                     how
>                                     that
>                                     stability
>                                     is
>                                     achieved,
>                                     and
>                                     as
>                                     such,
>                                     clarifying
>                                     the
>                                     intention
>                                     of
>                                     the
>                                     clause
>                                     is
>                                     helpful.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>                                     Thanks,
>
>                                     -C
>
>                                           On
>                                           Oct
>                                           12,
>                                           2020,
>                                           at
>                                           11:06
>                                           AM,
>                                           scott at solarnetone.org
>                                           wrote:
>
>                                           Hi
>                                           Chris,
>
>                                           Indeed. 
>                                           To
>                                           be
>                                           fair,
>                                           I
>                                           think
>                                           the
>                                           price
>                                           is
>                                           fair
>                                           for
>                                           value
>                                           received,
>                                           speaking
>                                           as
>                                           a
>                                           2x-small
>                                           ISP
>                                           with
>                                           a
>                                           /36. 
>                                           I
>                                           was
>                                           able
>                                           to
>                                           lower
>                                           my
>                                           recurring
>                                           costs
>                                           and
>                                           increase
>                                           my
>                                           available
>                                           address
>                                           pool
>                                           by
>                                           bringing
>                                           up
>                                           an
>                                           AS
>                                           at
>                                           the
>                                           2x-small
>                                           rate. 
>                                           Allowing
>                                           the
>                                           smallest
>                                           ISPs
>                                           to
>                                           implement
>                                           IPv6
>                                           without
>                                           additional
>                                           financial
>                                           cost
>                                           seems
>                                           a
>                                           prudent
>                                           way
>                                           to
>                                           overcome
>                                           barriers
>                                           to
>                                           adoption.
>
>                                           Scott
>
>                                           On
>                                           Sun,
>                                           11
>                                           Oct
>                                           2020,
>                                           Chris
>                                           Woodfield
>                                           wrote:
>
>                                                 Thanks
>                                                 Andrew,
>                                                 and
>                                                 good
>                                                 catch
>                                                 -
>                                                 both
>                                                 Scott
>                                                 and
>                                                 I
>                                                 missed
>                                                 that
>                                                 clause,
>                                                 obviously.
>                                                 It
>                                                 appears
>                                                 that
>                                                 this
>                                                 is
>                                                 in
>                                                 place
>                                                 in
>                                                 order
>                                                 to
>                                                 meet
>                                                 the
>                                                 stated
>                                                 goal
>                                                 of
>                                                 this
>                                                 proposal
>                                                 being
>                                                 revenue-neutral
>                                                 for
>                                                 ARIN?
>                                                 If
>                                                 so,
>                                                 it
>                                                 would
>                                                 be
>                                                 great
>                                                 to
>                                                 clarify
>                                                 so
>                                                 that
>                                                 community
>                                                 members
>                                                 can
>                                                 make
>                                                 a
>                                                 more
>                                                 informed
>                                                 evaluation
>                                                 as
>                                                 to
>                                                 whether
>                                                 or
>                                                 not
>                                                 to
>                                                 support
>                                                 the
>                                                 clause.
>                                                 If
>                                                 there
>                                                 are
>                                                 other
>                                                 justifications
>                                                 for
>                                                 the
>                                                 clause’s
>                                                 presence,
>                                                 I’d
>                                                 be
>                                                 interested
>                                                 to
>                                                 hear
>                                                 them.
>
>                                           2~>
>                                                 Thanks,
>
>                                                 -C
>
>                                                       On
>                                                       Oct
>                                                       11,
>                                                       2020,
>                                                       at
>                                                       10:24
>                                                       AM,
>                                                       Andrew
>                                                       Dul
>                                                       <andrew.dul at quark.net>
>                                                       wrote:
>
>                                                       The
>                                                       current
>                                                       draft
>                                                       policy
>                                                       text
>                                                       disallows
>                                                       returns
>                                                       to
>                                                       lower
>                                                       than
>                                                       a
>                                                       /36,
>                                                       so
>                                                       I
>                                                       would
>                                                       say
>                                                       that
>                                                       organization
>                                                       which
>                                                       took
>                                                       a
>                                                       /36
>                                                       would
>                                                       not
>                                                       be
>                                                       permitted
>                                                       to
>                                                       go
>                                                       down
>                                                       to
>                                                       a
>                                                       /40.
>
>                                                       "Partial
>                                                       returns
>                                                       of
>                                                       any
>                                                       IPv6
>                                                       allocation
>                                                       that
>                                                       results
>                                                       in
>                                                       less
>                                                       than
>                                                       a
>                                                       /36
>                                                       of
>                                                       holding
>                                                       are
>                                                       not
>                                                       permitted
>                                                       regardless
>                                                       of
>                                                       the
>                                                       ISP’s
>                                                       current
>                                                       or
>                                                       former
>                                                       IPv4
>                                                       number
>                                                       resource
>                                                       holdings."
>
>                                                       Andrew
>
>                                                       On
>                                                       10/9/2020
>                                                       2:04
>                                                       PM,
>                                                       Chris
>                                                       Woodfield
>                                                       wrote:
>                                                             Hi
>                                                             Scott,
>
>                                                             Given
>                                                             that
>                                                             ARIN
>                                                             utilizes
>                                                             a
>                                                             sparse
>                                                             allocation
>                                                             strategy
>                                                             for
>                                                             IPv6
>                                                             resources
>                                                             (in
>                                                             my
>                                                             organization’s
>                                                             case,
>                                                             we
>                                                             could
>                                                             go
>                                                             from
>                                                             a
>                                                             /32
>                                                             to
>                                                             a
>                                                             /25
>                                                             without
>                                                             renumbering),
>                                                             IMO
>                                                             it
>                                                             would
>                                                             not
>                                                             be
>                                                             unreasonable
>                                                             for
>                                                             the
>                                                             allocation
>                                                             to
>                                                             be
>                                                             adjusted
>                                                             down
>                                                             simply
>                                                             by
>                                                             changing
>                                                             the
>                                                             mask
>                                                             and
>                                                             keeping
>                                                             the
>                                                             /36
>                                                             or
>                                                             /32
>                                                             unallocated
>                                                             until
>                                                             the
>                                                             sparse
>                                                             allocations
>                                                             are
>                                                             exhausted.
>                                                             Any
>                                                             resources
>                                                             numbered
>                                                             outside
>                                                             the
>                                                             new
>                                                             /40
>                                                             would
>                                                             need
>                                                             to
>                                                             be
>                                                             renumbered,
>                                                             to
>                                                             be
>                                                             sure,
>                                                             but
>                                                             that’s
>                                                             most
>                                                             likely
>                                                             less
>                                                             work
>                                                             than
>                                                             a
>                                                             complete
>                                                             renumbering.
>
>                                                             That
>                                                             said,
>                                                             I’ll
>                                                             leave
>                                                             it
>                                                             up
>                                                             to
>                                                             Registration
>                                                             Services
>                                                             to
>                                                             provide
>                                                             a
>                                                             definitive
>                                                             answer.
>
>                                                             -C
>
>                                                                   On
>                                                                   Fri,
>                                                                   9
>                                                                   Oct
>                                                                   2020,
>                                                                   scott at solarnetone.org
>                                                                   wrote:
>
>                                                                         Hi
>                                                                         All,
>
>                                                                         I
>                                                                         am
>                                                                         in
>                                                                         favor
>                                                                         of
>                                                                         this
>                                                                         draft,
>                                                                         and
>                                                                         am
>                                                                         curious
>                                                                         as
>                                                                         to
>                                                                         how
>                                                                         resource
>                                                                         holders
>                                                                         who
>                                                                         were
>                                                                         not
>                                                                         dissuaded
>                                                                         by
>                                                                         the
>                                                                         fee
>                                                                         increase
>                                                                         will
>                                                                         be
>                                                                         impacted
>                                                                         by
>                                                                         the
>                                                                         policy
>                                                                         change.
>                                                                         While
>                                                                         they
>                                                                         indeed
>                                                                         have
>                                                                         more
>                                                                         address
>                                                                         space
>                                                                         than
>                                                                         /40,
>                                                                         they
>                                                                         may
>                                                                         also
>                                                                         not
>                                                                         need
>                                                                         the
>                                                                         additional
>                                                                         address
>                                                                         space. 
>                                                                         Some
>                                                                         might
>                                                                         prefer
>                                                                         the
>                                                                         nano-allocation
>                                                                         given
>                                                                         the
>                                                                         lower
>                                                                         cost. 
>                                                                         Will
>                                                                         they
>                                                                         be
>                                                                         required
>                                                                         to
>                                                                         change
>                                                                         allocations,
>                                                                         and
>                                                                         renumber,
>                                                                         in
>                                                                         order
>                                                                         to
>                                                                         return
>                                                                         to
>                                                                         3x-small
>                                                                         status
>                                                                         and
>                                                                         associated
>                                                                         rate?
>
>                                                                         Scott
>                                                                         Johnson
>                                                                         SolarNetOne,
>                                                                         Inc.
>                                                                         AS32639
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