[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML- of interest !

Rudolph Daniel rudi.daniel at gmail.com
Tue May 14 12:01:05 EDT 2019


https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and-precedent-against-fraud/article_ceb57140-e574-5355-a8b3-c8f8c70a439e.html

Re the above; thank you for posting. Certainly congrats to ARIN.

RD

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>       4.1.8. Unmet Requests (Scott Leibrand)
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> Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 10:06:12 -0700
> From: Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
> To: Jimmy Hess <mysidia at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tom Pruitt <tpruitt at stratusnet.com>, "arin-ppml at arin.net"
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> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Fwd: Advisory Council Recommendation
>         Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
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> If we did this, I suspect what would happen for the foreseeable future is
> that all reclaimed space would be assigned out as /24s to everyone willing
> to accept a /24 to fulfil their request. Anyone who insisted on a larger
> block would get nothing, so there'd be no incentive to do so. That would
> have the effect of giving a small number of space to the largest number of
> organizations possible, which could be considered a feature or a bug
> (increasing the number of routes that have to go into the global BGP
> table).
>
> -Scott
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 9:00 AM Jimmy Hess <mysidia at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 9:39 AM Tom Pruitt <tpruitt at stratusnet.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> If those organizations were watching the list, and moving up, it is
> >> likely that they have made
> >>
> > business decisions based on that data with the assumption that they would
> >> get an allocation
> >>
> > at some point.   I believe the proposed allocation limit is being
> >> discussed as a method to
> >>
> >
> > Such speculations would not have been a very prudent to rely upon.
> > Anyway: there is likely
> > to not ever be a full /7,  so a /7 cannot be allocated, for example.
> Some
> > "natural" limit exists,
> > whether exactly known or not,  and there's no guarantee of anyone on the
> > list ever
> > eventually getting filled.
> >
> > Perhaps it should simply be that when ordering the wait list ---  All
> > requests whether new or
> > still pending each XX day period,  say over 90 days will be considered
> > simultaneously
> > on one date,  and in addition to being ordered by request date,  the
> > requests are sorted
> > into buckets based on the number of total IP addresses requested, e.g.:
> >
> > All requests that can be satisfied at their minimum size by a /24, /23,
> > /22, /21, or less (for example)
> > in the entire waiting  list, and those larger being processed today shall
> > each be sorted into a
> > corresponding "bucket"   with other requests that can be satisfied at
> that
> > size.
> >
> > All requests from every bucket of smaller sized requests shall be
> > satisfied in at least their
> > minimum size  before considering requests in any buckets of larger size.
> >
> >
> > In this manner a "larger request" like a /20 could in theory be made,
> but
> > even if that request was pending for  2 years:   all the  new  requests
> > that can be
> > satisfied by /24 or less,  then /23 or less,  then /22 or less, then /21
> > or less  should
> > be considered and filled first.
> >
> > So to have any chance of filling a massive allocation,  then that should
> > mean the
> > waiting list has become essentially empty.....
> >
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> > -JH
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> Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 11:10:05 -0400
> From: "Mike Burns" <mike at iptrading.com>
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> Subject: [arin-ppml] Of interest?
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> I found this to be an interesting article and perhaps others on the list
> would appreciate knowing about it.
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> https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and-
> precedent-against-fraud/article_ceb57140-e574-5355-a8b3-c8f8c70a439e.html
> <https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and-precedent-against-fraud/article_ceb57140-e574-5355-a8b3-c8f8c70a439e.html>
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> Regards,
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> Mike Burns
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> Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 08:16:20 -0700
> From: Chris James <chris at datacate.net>
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> Congratulations Mr Curran and staff!
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> Thank you Mike for the heads up. I missed this one.
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> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:10 AM Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:
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> > I found this to be an interesting article and perhaps others on the list
> > would appreciate knowing about it.
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> >
> >
> >
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> https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and-precedent-against-fraud/article_ceb57140-e574-5355-a8b3-c8f8c70a439e.html
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> > Regards,
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> > Mike Burns
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> Congratulations indeed! And thanks for sharing.
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> Congratulations Mr Curran and staff!
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> Thank you Mike for the heads up. I missed this one.
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> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:10 AM Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com<mailto:
> mike at iptrading.com>> wrote:
> I found this to be an interesting article and perhaps others on the list
> would appreciate knowing about it.
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> https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and-precedent-against-fraud/article_ceb57140-e574-5355-a8b3-c8f8c70a439e.html
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> Regards,
> Mike Burns
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