<div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and-precedent-against-fraud/article_ceb57140-e574-5355-a8b3-c8f8c70a439e.html">https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and-precedent-against-fraud/article_ceb57140-e574-5355-a8b3-c8f8c70a439e.html</a><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Re the above; thank you for posting. Certainly congrats to ARIN.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">RD</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 14, 2019, 11:19 <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-request@arin.net">arin-ppml-request@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send ARIN-PPML mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Fwd: Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM<br>
4.1.8. Unmet Requests (Scott Leibrand)<br>
2. Of interest? (Mike Burns)<br>
3. Re: Of interest? (Chris James)<br>
4. Re: Of interest? (Mike Arbrouet)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 10:06:12 -0700<br>
From: Scott Leibrand <<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Jimmy Hess <<a href="mailto:mysidia@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mysidia@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Tom Pruitt <<a href="mailto:tpruitt@stratusnet.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">tpruitt@stratusnet.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>"<br>
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Fwd: Advisory Council Recommendation<br>
Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests<br>
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If we did this, I suspect what would happen for the foreseeable future is<br>
that all reclaimed space would be assigned out as /24s to everyone willing<br>
to accept a /24 to fulfil their request. Anyone who insisted on a larger<br>
block would get nothing, so there'd be no incentive to do so. That would<br>
have the effect of giving a small number of space to the largest number of<br>
organizations possible, which could be considered a feature or a bug<br>
(increasing the number of routes that have to go into the global BGP table).<br>
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-Scott<br>
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On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 9:00 AM Jimmy Hess <<a href="mailto:mysidia@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mysidia@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 9:39 AM Tom Pruitt <<a href="mailto:tpruitt@stratusnet.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">tpruitt@stratusnet.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
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>> If those organizations were watching the list, and moving up, it is<br>
>> likely that they have made<br>
>><br>
> business decisions based on that data with the assumption that they would<br>
>> get an allocation<br>
>><br>
> at some point. I believe the proposed allocation limit is being<br>
>> discussed as a method to<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Such speculations would not have been a very prudent to rely upon.<br>
> Anyway: there is likely<br>
> to not ever be a full /7, so a /7 cannot be allocated, for example. Some<br>
> "natural" limit exists,<br>
> whether exactly known or not, and there's no guarantee of anyone on the<br>
> list ever<br>
> eventually getting filled.<br>
><br>
> Perhaps it should simply be that when ordering the wait list --- All<br>
> requests whether new or<br>
> still pending each XX day period, say over 90 days will be considered<br>
> simultaneously<br>
> on one date, and in addition to being ordered by request date, the<br>
> requests are sorted<br>
> into buckets based on the number of total IP addresses requested, e.g.:<br>
><br>
> All requests that can be satisfied at their minimum size by a /24, /23,<br>
> /22, /21, or less (for example)<br>
> in the entire waiting list, and those larger being processed today shall<br>
> each be sorted into a<br>
> corresponding "bucket" with other requests that can be satisfied at that<br>
> size.<br>
><br>
> All requests from every bucket of smaller sized requests shall be<br>
> satisfied in at least their<br>
> minimum size before considering requests in any buckets of larger size.<br>
><br>
><br>
> In this manner a "larger request" like a /20 could in theory be made, but<br>
> even if that request was pending for 2 years: all the new requests<br>
> that can be<br>
> satisfied by /24 or less, then /23 or less, then /22 or less, then /21<br>
> or less should<br>
> be considered and filled first.<br>
><br>
> So to have any chance of filling a massive allocation, then that should<br>
> mean the<br>
> waiting list has become essentially empty.....<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> -JH<br>
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 11:10:05 -0400<br>
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I found this to be an interesting article and perhaps others on the list<br>
would appreciate knowing about it.<br>
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<a href="https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and-precedent-against-fraud/article_ceb57140-e574-5355-a8b3-c8f8c70a439e.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and-<br>
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 08:16:20 -0700<br>
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Congratulations Mr Curran and staff!<br>
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Thank you Mike for the heads up. I missed this one.<br>
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On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:10 AM Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I found this to be an interesting article and perhaps others on the list<br>
> would appreciate knowing about it.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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> <a href="https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and-precedent-against-fraud/article_ceb57140-e574-5355-a8b3-c8f8c70a439e.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and-precedent-against-fraud/article_ceb57140-e574-5355-a8b3-c8f8c70a439e.html</a><br>
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 15:18:45 +0000<br>
From: Mike Arbrouet <<a href="mailto:mike@brainiacsquad.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mike@brainiacsquad.com</a>><br>
To: Chris James <<a href="mailto:chris@datacate.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chris@datacate.net</a>>, Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mike@iptrading.com</a>><br>
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Congratulations indeed! And thanks for sharing.<br>
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Congratulations Mr Curran and staff!<br>
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Thank you Mike for the heads up. I missed this one.<br>
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On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:10 AM Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mike@iptrading.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mike@iptrading.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
I found this to be an interesting article and perhaps others on the list would appreciate knowing about it.<br>
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<a href="https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and-precedent-against-fraud/article_ceb57140-e574-5355-a8b3-c8f8c70a439e.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and-precedent-against-fraud/article_ceb57140-e574-5355-a8b3-c8f8c70a439e.html</a><br>
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