[arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

[John Springer]

I support the petition, John Springer, currently unaffiliated.

I welcome correction on any of this, but at this moment, ARIN-prop-266: BGP
Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation is dead as a policy proposal to the
AC. If this petition is successful, it "will refer the question of whether
the Policy Proposal is in scope to the ARIN Board of Trustees for
consideration." If the BoT finds that the proposal is in scope for the AC,
they might send it back to the AC, in which case, so long as the AC finds
that the problem statement is clear, the proposal might be resurrected to
the docket as a Draft Policy. ONLY at this point would the merits of the
proposal, or the lack thereof, become germane. To the proposal, as opposed
to philosophically.

I suppose it is also possible that the BoT might take up concepts within
the proposal as matters more proper to itself. The BoT does have a history
of successfully taking input from the community in various ways. Witness
the community inputs on diversity starting at the meeting in Jamaica and
the current state of affairs.

Lastly, this is not a vote. Not a show of hands and not a sense of the
room. This is a 'does it get to ten?'.  If there are only nine in support
it fails. Conversely, while expression of opposition to the faults of the
PROPOSAL is permitted here, it has (or should have) no effect on the
outcome of this question. If ten proper folk express support, no number of
vehement, out of my cold dead hands, expressions of opposition to either
the petition or the proposal will prevent it going to the BoT. But maybe a
fence sitter can be dissuaded from support. Lot of good thoughts, tho. This
amount of sound and fury always attracts my attention.

I do not speak for either the AC or the BoT.


On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:29 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML <
arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:

> Right, I was about to respond as well, but I think at this stage we should
> keep the discussion on the petition.
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> All those details could be agreed once we have the proposal adopted for
> the discussion. In fact, we have a new version ready (v2, being published
> in RIPE soon) with have a lot of additional details on that, which is part
> of the outcome of several weeks of discussion on our RIPE v1 of this
> proposal.
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> Regards,
>
> Jordi
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> El 29/4/19 20:17, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de William Herrin" <
> arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net en nombre de bill at herrin.us> escribió:
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> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:53 AM Mike Arbrouet <mike at brainiacsquad.com>
> wrote:
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> > Can anyone (policy expert) help me out with some ambiguities
>
> > regarding the selection procedures of the Expert's Pool? These
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> > clarifications are important for me to be able to make a decision on
>
> > supporting/rejecting the [arin-ppml] Open Petition for
>
> > ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation.
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> Hi Mike,
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> Respectfully, we're at a different part of the conversation here. The only
> decision you're asked to make about the petition is whether we should be
> discussing the proposal at all. The formulation of the experts pool (or
> whether the proposal retains a shape that needs an experts pool) is a
> discussion for later (or never) depending on your choice on the petition.
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> As you decide whether to support the petition, the petition to discuss and
> work on the proposal, consider: you dived in to and discussed the
> proposal's details.
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> Regards,
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> Bill Herrin
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