<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I support the petition, John Springer, currently unaffiliated.<div><br></div><div>I welcome correction on any of this, but at this moment, ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation is dead as a policy proposal to the AC. If this petition is successful, it "will refer the question of whether the Policy Proposal is in scope to the ARIN Board of Trustees for consideration." If the BoT finds that the proposal is in scope for the AC, they might send it back to the AC, in which case, so long as the AC finds that the problem statement is clear, the proposal might be resurrected to the docket as a Draft Policy. ONLY at this point would the merits of the proposal, or the lack thereof, become germane. To the proposal, as opposed to philosophically.</div><div><br></div><div>I suppose it is also possible that the BoT might take up concepts within the proposal as matters more proper to itself. The BoT does have a history of successfully taking input from the community in various ways. Witness the community inputs on diversity starting at the meeting in Jamaica and the current state of affairs. </div><div><br></div><div>Lastly, this is not a vote. Not a show of hands and not a sense of the room. This is a 'does it get to ten?'. If there are only nine in support it fails. Conversely, while expression of opposition to the faults of the PROPOSAL is permitted here, it has (or should have) no effect on the outcome of this question. If ten proper folk express support, no number of vehement, out of my cold dead hands, expressions of opposition to either the petition or the proposal will prevent it going to the BoT. But maybe a fence sitter can be dissuaded from support. Lot of good thoughts, tho. This amount of sound and fury always attracts my attention.</div><div><br></div><div>I do not speak for either the AC or the BoT.</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:29 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES"><div class="gmail-m_-7113426083292464319WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Right, I was about to respond as well, but I think at this stage we should keep the discussion on the petition.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">All those details could be agreed once we have the proposal adopted for the discussion. In fact, we have a new version ready (v2, being published in RIPE soon) with have a lot of additional details on that, which is part of the outcome of several weeks of discussion on our RIPE v1 of this proposal.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><br>Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 29/4/19 20:17, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de William Herrin" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> en nombre de <a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:53 AM Mike Arbrouet <<a href="mailto:mike@brainiacsquad.com" target="_blank">mike@brainiacsquad.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">> Can anyone (policy expert) help me out with some ambiguities<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">> regarding the selection procedures of the Expert's Pool? These<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">> clarifications are important for me to be able to make a decision on<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">> supporting/rejecting the [arin-ppml] Open Petition for <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">> ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation.<br><br>Hi Mike,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Respectfully, we're at a different part of the conversation here. The only decision you're asked to make about the petition is whether we should be discussing the proposal at all. The formulation of the experts pool (or whether the proposal retains a shape that needs an experts pool) is a discussion for later (or never) depending on your choice on the petition.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">As you decide whether to support the petition, the petition to discuss and work on the proposal, consider: you dived in to and discussed the proposal's details.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Bill Herrin<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">William Herrin ................ <a href="mailto:herrin@dirtside.com" target="_blank">herrin@dirtside.com</a> <a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a><br>Dirtside Systems ......... 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