[arin-ppml] Thoughts on 2015-7

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed Oct 7 01:13:02 EDT 2015


Steven,

You don’t have to go outside of policy to use a broker.

If you actually need the addresses, you can get a pre-approval through ARIN, take your pre-approval to one or more brokers and arrange to obtain the addresses you need and come back to ARIN and complete the transfer.

We have new rules to address the fact that times have changed somewhat.

That’s what 8.3 and 8.4 of the NRPM are.

Owen

> On Oct 5, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:
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> I don’t understand why everyone wants to keep blocking all outside of ARIN transactions.  A year from now there might be a thousand or more legitimate organizations that meet one or more of the current policies to qualify for an IPv4 allocation.  Let’s say that is your Org or your Customer’s Org - and ARIN dutifully places you on their waiting list.  Time passes and no significant supply comes available for your request.  
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> So then what do you do? ARIN can’t fulfill your request timely. You have a legitimate need. If IPv6 won’t work, Is living without the resources you need really acceptable?  If not do you break down and call a Broker to help find you the resources that you need?
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> Why does this community continually paint organizations into the corner of not being able to get IPv4 resources without going outside of ARINs policies?  John asked this community to visit the issue of runout several months ago, and there was some discussion but I’ve seen no real will to make any significant adjustments to try and deal with the new world we all must live in now.
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> We can keep rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, or we can face reality that times have completely changed and the old rules won’t work in a new ARIN world.  My 2 cents. 
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> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>] On Behalf Of Martin Hannigan
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> To: Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com <mailto:scottleibrand at gmail.com>>
> Cc: ppml at arin.net <mailto:ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Thoughts on 2015-7
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> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com <mailto:scottleibrand at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Reducing the burden on ARIN staff is not part of the problem statement for this proposal (though it might be a side effect, depending on how they implement it).  The main goal here is to reduce the administrative burden on organizations who need to acquire IPv4 space via transfer.  That burden may actually be higher for smaller entities who don't have experience with and processes in place for jumping through ARIN's hoops.
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> I don't think this policy would have much impact on the ability of large well-funded entities to purchase as much address space as they like.  Currently, those organizations simply write a contract that gives them full rights to the address space they're buying, and allows them to transfer the space with ARIN whenever they are ready to put it into use on their network (or can otherwise pass ARIN's needs justification tests).
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> Let me give you a real world example.
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> 1. Buy rights to use addresses in any quantity you believe you need
> 2. Use those addresses as you need them, assuming the agreement you made with the party works properly
> 3. Get an LOA from the documented owner
> 4. Bypass ARIN entirely
> 5. Use the addresses.
> 
> How do you think we should solve that problem?
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> -M<
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