[arin-ppml] Smalest ISP v6 Allocation

Paul pmcnary at cameron.net
Fri Aug 14 20:45:38 EDT 2015


+1 What Mike is saying!


On 8/14/2015 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> *nods* I think a lot of times people forget about the little ISP that 
> only has a /23 of IPv4. Heck, I know one guy that owns at least a half 
> dozen ISPs, none of them more than 1k customers, most under 300. I 
> think people get caught up in the scale of global carriers, nationwide 
> ISPs, etc.
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> *From: *"David Farmer" <farmer at umn.edu>
> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <arin at ics-il.net>
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> *Sent: *Friday, August 14, 2015 8:13:26 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [arin-ppml] Smalest ISP v6 Allocation
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> On Aug 14, 2015, at 05:19, Mike Hammett <arin at ics-il.net 
> <mailto:arin at ics-il.net>> wrote:
>
>     If the smallest IPv6 allocation an ISP can get is a /36 (X-small
>     or up to /20 in IPv4), but we have a fee established for XX-small
>     (up to /40 IPv6 and /22 IPv4), why don't we permit an ISP to get a
>     /40? Small providers may not want to increase their ARIN fees to
>     simply be able to get their own IPv6 allocation. Seems
>     counter-intuitive in getting everyone on the IPv6 train. It also
>     falls on a clean boundary, so there shouldn't be any concerns with
>     issued subnets.
>
>     If there's no good reason why we're not doing this, how to we
>     start the process to allow this?
>
>
> A little more than two years ago we considered a policy to do just that;
>
> Draft Policy ARIN-2013-3: Tiny IPv6 Allocations for ISPs
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2013_3.html
>
> The consensus at the time was that a /40 was too small for an ISP and 
> that we should reconsider the fee structure instead.  That has been in 
> process with the fee committee that was discussed previously. 
>  However, if there is a new consensus in support of allowing ISPs to 
> receive a /40, I'd recommend the text of ARIN-2013-3 as a starting point.
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