[arin-ppml] Subject: ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improved 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

Wed Apr 2 00:40:00 EDT 2014

Hi  Kevin,

Have you known that one ARIN member who received 23.192.0.0-23.211.255.255
from free pool also strongly supports this anti-language proposal?
meanwhile, they have applied a very large apnic  pre-approval (hope) for
transferring their "old" ips into its apnic account.

So, i think it will  be good for the community to restrict transfers on a
per-organisation basis in case such an organisation queeze the so few
remained ARIN free pool.  the time frame of ineligible for re-transfer or
re-sale should be at least 24months or more to avoid the speculator and to
avoid people who are good at finding the loopholes of  ARIN policy.

Jay

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Kevin Kargel <kkargel at polartel.com> wrote:

> While I want to say I did not appreciate the violence of the original
> message I do agree with the sentiment.  Let's not make it easy to siphon
> off ARIN resources.
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> Kevin
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> *From:* arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Bill Darte
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 01, 2014 9:35 AM
> *To:* Jay Martin
> *Cc:* arin-ppml at arin.net
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Subject: ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improved 8.4
> Anti-Flip Language
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> Jay,
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> I appreciate that you have a view to express that is opposed to the Draft
> Policy.  I understand that you may even be upset about it and that you
> believe that the motivation is contrary to the community's interest. But I
> think that your personalized attack on the author is unwarranted and
> outside both the spirit of and stated Acceptable Use Policy for the PPML.
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> Bill Darte
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> AC Shepherd
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> ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language
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> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Jay Martin <jaymartin926 at gmail.com>
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> *Hello community, *
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> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 21:17:58 +0000
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> From: David Huberman <David.Huberman at microsoft.com>
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> To: Bill Darte <billdarte at gmail.com>, "arin-ppml at arin.net"
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> <arin-ppml at arin.net>, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
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> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improved 8.4
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> Anti-Flip Language
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> As the author of this proposal, and having encountered the real-world
> consequences of existing 8.4 anti-flip language, I support #3 as the
> cleanest, simplest approach that best promotes Whois accuracy.
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> *Can you specify what have you encountered in the real world ? which
> finally "inspire" you to write this proposal.  I think your company is so
> selfish and what your cared is your own company.  Keep buying ip and *
> *pla**nning to transfer them into Asia Pacific region; meanwhile drain
> out of the IPs from the remained Arin pool. *
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> ARIN is a registry, not a regulator. Let's write policy that promotes
> accuracy in Whois, please.
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> *As a member of the community,   i consider that you are a hypocrite.
> Your so-call  caring about ARIN  accuracy in whois is just an excuse for
> you to protect your company's benefit.   *
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> *Let me expose what your intention behind this proposal, i think the
> community deserve the right to see your true face. *
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> *What you want to do is to help your own company to  easily transfer
> either the purchased ip  or the old allocated ip from Arin into the Asia
> Pacific region; meanwhile  your company is able to keep squeezing and
> draining  the remained free pool of Arin. *
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> *Your support of #3 will make it easy for your company to transfer ip into
> Asia Pacific,    which will create a "the needs of Arin IP badly" image in
> the local  ARIN region.   Your purchased /13  from that bankruptcy is the
> justification of your company's needs in Arin region. Now you want a policy
> to help your company to transfer the "old" and " purchase" ip to Asia
> Pacific( you must be a good liar at making your justification to be
> approved by Arin), which will not affect your continuing application of big
> chunk block from Arin.     *
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> *The system has already been established to take care of giant baby like
> your company  and leave the smaller organisations without chance to have
> their deserved ip and suffer.*
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> *Wake up the community.  Do you want this hypocrite to dry up the free
> pool?*
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> *I am against this proposal, it will only open the doors for some  players
> to drain up the free pool of ARIN quickly. *
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> *Jay*
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> David R Huberman
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> Microsoft Corporation
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> Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)
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