<div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Helvetica">Hi Kevin,</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Helvetica">Have you known that one ARIN member who received 23.192.0.0-23.211.255.255 from free pool also strongly supports this anti-language proposal? meanwhile, they have applied a very large apnic pre-approval (hope) for transferring their “old” ips into its apnic account.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Helvetica">So, i think it will be good for the community to restrict transfers on a per-organisation basis in case such an organisation queeze the so few remained ARIN free pool. the time frame of ineligible for re-transfer or re-sale should be at least 24months or more to avoid the speculator and to avoid people who are good at finding the loopholes of ARIN policy.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Helvetica">Jay</p></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Kevin Kargel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kkargel@polartel.com" target="_blank">kkargel@polartel.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">While I want to say I did not appreciate the violence of the original message I do agree with the sentiment. Let’s not make it easy to siphon off ARIN resources.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Kevin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Darte<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 01, 2014 9:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Martin<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Subject: ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improved 8.4 Anti-Flip Language<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jay,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I appreciate that you have a view to express that is opposed to the Draft Policy. I understand that you may even be upset about it and that you believe that the motivation is contrary to the community's interest. But I think that your personalized attack on the author is unwarranted and outside both the spirit of and stated Acceptable Use Policy for the PPML.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">You may find the specific rules at <a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/mailing_lists/aup.html" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/mailing_lists/aup.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Bill Darte<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">AC Shepherd<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language<u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Jay Martin <<a href="mailto:jaymartin926@gmail.com" target="_blank">jaymartin926@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Hello community, </span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Message: 1<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 21:17:58 +0000<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">From: David Huberman <<a href="mailto:David.Huberman@microsoft.com" target="_blank">David.Huberman@microsoft.com</a>></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#006ae3"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">To: Bill Darte <<a href="mailto:billdarte@gmail.com" target="_blank">billdarte@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>"</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#006ae3"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>>, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#006ae3"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improved 8.4<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Anti-Flip Language<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Message-ID:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><<a href="mailto:87b03e32ad2743559958047e94c94044@DM2PR03MB398.namprd03.prod.outlook.com" target="_blank">87b03e32ad2743559958047e94c94044@DM2PR03MB398.namprd03.prod.outlook.com</a>></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#006ae3"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">As the author of this proposal, and having encountered the real-world consequences of existing 8.4 anti-flip language, I support #3 as the cleanest, simplest approach that best promotes Whois accuracy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif";color:#232323">Can you specify what have you encountered in the real world ? which finally “inspire” you to write this proposal. I think your company is so selfish and what your cared is your own company. Keep buying ip and </span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">pla</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif";color:#232323">nning to transfer them into Asia Pacific region; meanwhile drain out of the IPs from the remained Arin pool. </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif";color:#232323"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">ARIN is a registry, not a regulator. Let's write policy that promotes accuracy in Whois, please.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">As a member of the community, i consider that you are a hypocrite. Your so-call caring about ARIN accuracy in whois is just an excuse for you to protect your company’s benefit. </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:18px"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">Let me expose what your intention behind this proposal, i think the community deserve the right to see your true face. </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">What you want to do is to help your own company to easily transfer either the purchased ip or the old allocated ip from Arin into the Asia Pacific region; meanwhile your company is able to keep squeezing and draining the remained free pool of Arin. </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:18px"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">Your support of #3 will make it easy for your company to transfer ip into Asia Pacific, which will create a “the needs of Arin IP badly” image in the local ARIN region. Your purchased /13 from that bankruptcy is the justification of your company’s needs in Arin region. Now you want a policy to help your company to transfer the “old” and “ purchase” ip to Asia Pacific( you must be a good liar at making your justification to be approved by Arin), which will not affect your continuing application of big chunk block from Arin. </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:18px"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">The system has already been established to take care of giant baby like your company and leave the smaller organisations without chance to have their deserved ip and suffer.</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:18px"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">Wake up the community. Do you want this hypocrite to dry up the free pool?</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">I am against this proposal, it will only open the doors for some players to drain up the free pool of ARIN quickly. </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:18px"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px">
<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">Jay</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">David R Huberman<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Microsoft Corporation<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
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