[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-6: Allocation of IPv4 and IPv6 Address Space to Out-of-region Requestors - Revised

[Lee Dilkie]

Which leads me to think the era of the regional RIR is over. Time to
move back to a single registry.

-lee


On 10/8/2013 2:40 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
>
> The virtual train has left the station.  80% of the servers we are
> doing now are Virtual and most need Internet IP addresses.  Almost all
> of the Internet IP addresses I'm assigning today are being assigned to
> virtual servers.  Treating them somehow like they are different than
> say a router in that they need one or more IP addresses makes no
> sense.  An Internet IP address - is an Internet IP address - is an
> Internet IP address - no matter what it is assigned to. 
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> I don't like adding needless restrictions.  -1
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> *From:*Scott Leibrand [mailto:scottleibrand at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:45 PM
> *To:* Steven Ryerse
> *Cc:* John Curran; Frank Bulk; <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-6: Allocation of
> IPv4 and IPv6 Address Space to Out-of-region Requestors - Revised
>
>  
>
> Steven,
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>
> Were you following the discussion at the NANOG PPC?  (It's being webcast.)
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> The challenge with what you're describing seems to be that many
> organizations who provide virtual servers, tunnels, or other similar
> services over virtual infrastructure have to justify their addresses
> based on how many customers they have (as their physical
> infrastructure isn't necessarily growing).
>
>  
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> There will also be another round of discussion of this policy at the
> ARIN Public Policy meeting later this week.
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>  
>
> -Scott
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>  
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> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Steven Ryerse
> <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com <mailto:SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>>
> wrote:
>
> I keep seeing questions going back and forth on this issue.  As I
> understand it two things are trying to be accomplished, first ARIN
> issued resources are to be primarily used on equipment located within
> the ARIN region, and second there needs to be some sort of legal
> presence with contact information in the ARIN region that can be kept
> in the ARIN database for everyone including law enforcement to access.
>  Can't the policy simply say there must be a legal presence and the
> resources must be used within the ARIN region, and that resources can
> be de-allocated if either ceases to be true?
>
> The elegance of the Internet is that it can expand an organization's
> reach - including across RIR boundaries, so who cares if a web server
> or a virtual server (or whatever) that is physically located in the
> ARIN region is access by tons of folks outside the region.   There
> just needs to be a legal presence and contact information to go along
> with that allocation.  Trying to apply some test such as majority or
> plurality will just cause unnecessary complexity and the current
> policies are complex enough without needlessly adding to it.  My 2 cents.
>
> Steven Ryerse
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>] On Behalf Of John Curran
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:16 PM
> To: Frank Bulk
> Cc: <arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-6: Allocation of IPv4
> and IPv6 Address Space to Out-of-region Requestors - Revised
>
> On Oct 8, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Frank Bulk <frnkblk at iname.com
> <mailto:frnkblk at iname.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> > What if Acme Hosting, Inc., located in the Silicon Valley, found a
> > niche offering virtualized servers for Asian customers who want to
> > have their Internet-based services hosted more closely to the North
> American market.
> >
> > Acme Hosting and their infrastructure are clearly in the U.S., but
> > their customers are not in the ARIN region.
>
> Their physical infrastructure would only qualify for modest address
> space in accordance with policy, and this would not change with the
> addition of virtualized servers on existing equipment.
>
> > Does the policy, as currently written, preclude Acme Hosting from
> > requesting more address space as their Asian customer base grows?
>
> Under current policy, they may request additional addresses as their
> customers grow.  Under the current revised policy text, we would not
> consider their customers who are not in region.  This side effect
> (hosting companies not being able to consider customers who are out of
> region) may or may not be desirable, but is understandable given the
> additional of customer region as criteria.
>
> FYI,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
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