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Which leads me to think the era of the regional RIR is over. Time to
move back to a single registry.<br>
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-lee<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/8/2013 2:40 PM, Steven Ryerse
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virtual train has left the station. 80% of the servers we
are doing now are Virtual and most need Internet IP
addresses. Almost all of the Internet IP addresses I’m
assigning today are being assigned to virtual servers.
Treating them somehow like they are different than say a
router in that they need one or more IP addresses makes no
sense. An Internet IP address - is an Internet IP address -
is an Internet IP address - no matter what it is assigned
to. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
don’t like adding needless restrictions. -1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
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Ryerse<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
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MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">770.656.1460
- Cell<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
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Office<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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Scott Leibrand [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com">mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Steven Ryerse<br>
<b>Cc:</b> John Curran; Frank Bulk;
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"><arin-ppml@arin.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-6:
Allocation of IPv4 and IPv6 Address Space to Out-of-region
Requestors - Revised<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Steven,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Were you following the discussion at
the NANOG PPC? (It's being webcast.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The challenge with what you're
describing seems to be that many organizations who provide
virtual servers, tunnels, or other similar services over
virtual infrastructure have to justify their addresses
based on how many customers they have (as their physical
infrastructure isn't necessarily growing).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There will also be another round of
discussion of this policy at the ARIN Public Policy
meeting later this week.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Scott<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Steven
Ryerse <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com"
target="_blank">SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I keep seeing questions going back and
forth on this issue. As I understand it two things are
trying to be accomplished, first ARIN issued resources are
to be primarily used on equipment located within the ARIN
region, and second there needs to be some sort of legal
presence with contact information in the ARIN region that
can be kept in the ARIN database for everyone including
law enforcement to access. Can't the policy simply say
there must be a legal presence and the resources must be
used within the ARIN region, and that resources can be
de-allocated if either ceases to be true?<br>
<br>
The elegance of the Internet is that it can expand an
organization's reach - including across RIR boundaries, so
who cares if a web server or a virtual server (or
whatever) that is physically located in the ARIN region is
access by tons of folks outside the region. There just
needs to be a legal presence and contact information to go
along with that allocation. Trying to apply some test
such as majority or plurality will just cause unnecessary
complexity and the current policies are complex enough
without needlessly adding to it. My 2 cents.<br>
<br>
Steven Ryerse<br>
President<br>
100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:770.656.1460">770.656.1460</a> -
Cell<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:770.399.9099">770.399.9099</a>-
Office<br>
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<span style="font-family:"MS Mincho"">℠</span>
Eclipse Networks, Inc.<br>
Conquering Complex Networks<span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Sent:
Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:16 PM<br>
To: Frank Bulk<br>
Cc: <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-6:
Allocation of IPv4 and IPv6 Address Space to
Out-of-region Requestors - Revised<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 8, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Frank
Bulk <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com">frnkblk@iname.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> John,<br>
><br>
> What if Acme Hosting, Inc., located in the
Silicon Valley, found a<br>
> niche offering virtualized servers for Asian
customers who want to<br>
> have their Internet-based services hosted more
closely to the North American market.<br>
><br>
> Acme Hosting and their infrastructure are clearly
in the U.S., but<br>
> their customers are not in the ARIN region.<br>
<br>
Their physical infrastructure would only qualify for
modest address space in accordance with policy, and
this would not change with the addition of virtualized
servers on existing equipment.<br>
<br>
> Does the policy, as currently written, preclude
Acme Hosting from<br>
> requesting more address space as their Asian
customer base grows?<br>
<br>
Under current policy, they may request additional
addresses as their customers grow. Under the current
revised policy text, we would not consider their
customers who are not in region. This side effect
(hosting companies not being able to consider
customers who are out of region) may or may not be
desirable, but is understandable given the additional
of customer region as criteria.<br>
<br>
FYI,<br>
/John<br>
<br>
John Curran<br>
President and CEO<br>
ARIN<br>
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