[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: Fair Distribution

Chris Grundemann cgrundemann at gmail.com
Fri Jul 12 13:53:48 EDT 2013

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:18 AM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
> On 7/12/13 10:37 , Jason Schiller wrote:
>> David,
>> I took the liberty or changing the subject to "Fair Distribution" in
>> order to make this a
>> completely separate thread allowing the other conversation to continue
>> (possibly at a later
>> time) without getting tangled up with this one.
> Thanks
>> Comments in line,
>> __Jason
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:58 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu
>> <mailto:farmer at umn.edu>> wrote:
> ...
>>     So how do we move forward? I suggest;
>>     1. Can everyone concede that going forward, conservation is much
>>     less important, but that the need for some concept of conservation
>>     doesn't completely go away either.
>> Assuming this is true, then the section on stewardship and balancing
>> allows for the community  to find the right level, and modify ARIN
>> policy accordingly.
> Yes, exactly
>>     2. Lets focus the conversation on other issues for a while, let this
>>     cool down a little, then come back to it after we've cooled down and
>>     maybe have resolved some of the other issues.
>> Personally, I'm hoping to see the staff assessment soon, and hoping we
>> can make a list
>> of all the current practices that would be modified if this draft policy
>> is implemented,
>> and try to make sure the community aggress those practices should not
>> change
>> and modify the draft accordingly.
> The AC has a call next week, I'm sure we will discuss this.  But, Chris is
> the Shepherd and I'll let him take the lead on that.

As David mentioned, we have a meeting coming up but I can't get the
full staff and legal review until we stop changing the text! =)  So my
guess is that we'll have to do that a bit further down the line. I
will tell you that I got an informal/off-the-record assesment from
staff and based the v2 text on what I heard. So, the current text is
designed to not modify any current practices - we will need to confirm
that again once the text congeals.

>>     3. Are there other concepts, principles, or goals that were missing?
>>       I suggested earlier that there were additional principles we
>>     should be looking at.  An candidates has come up in the conversation
>>     today that I would like to propose;
>>         0.2 Fair Distribution
>>         The principle of Fair Distribution is the precept that the
>>         fundamental purpose of Internet number resources management is to
>>         distributed unique number resources in a fair and impartial manner
>>         to entities building and operating networks, for benefit of all
>>         Internet users equally, and thereby facilitating the growth and
>>         sustainability of the Internet.
>> I would not oppose the suggested text.
> I think it probably needs more work, but I'll leave that in Chris' capable
> hands as shepherd.  I just want to start the discussion, I'm interested in
> what others think too.

I have some ideas on how to work this in, along with some other
suggestions that have been made - there will be a v3 of the text, I'm
waiting till the conversation settles down before trying to
incorporate it all though - stay tuned!


>>     I'd make this #2 behind Registration, and I'd suggest Conservation
>>     could follow and ties into this principle through the concepts of
>>     "fairness" and "sustainability"
>> I'm not sure ordering matters...
> From a technical perspective, no ordering doesn't mater.
>> These are not stack ranked where the most important principle is followed
>> to the detriment of the others.  Hence the section on stewardship and
>> suggestion of balancing.
>> But OK, if the community wants it to be #2 I see no issue.
> However, from an emotional perspective and how people interrupt the
> narrative it does mater.
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