[arin-ppml] Clean up definition of LIR/ISP vs. end-user

Scott Leibrand scottleibrand at gmail.com
Tue Apr 30 14:06:32 EDT 2013


The term LIR is not used in IPv4 policy (NRPM section 4), only in IPv6
policy (section 6).

-Scott


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Tony Hain <alh-ietf at tndh.net> wrote:

> > .....
> > They generally are, reference the "LIR" definition in NRPM 2.4
> > <https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#two4>
> >
> > "A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that primarily assigns address
> space to
> > the users of the network services that it provides. LIRs are generally
> Internet
> > Service Providers (ISPs), whose customers are primarily end users and
> > possibly other ISPs."
> >
> > and then NRPM 6.5 -
> >
> > "6.5.1. Terminology
> >
> >  . The terms ISP and LIR are used interchangeably in this document and
> any
> >    use of either term shall be construed to include both meanings."
> >
> > > My vote goes towards a global replacement of "ISP" in all ARIN
> documents
> > with the term "LIR" in order to match the language used by the other 4
> RIRs.
> > I would then support an brief statement early in the NRPM which explains
> > that "The term LIR has replaced the term ISP formerly used in ARIN policy
> > documents in order to simplify the global understanding of RIR policy
> > documents.  The definition of LIR exactly matches the previous definition
> of
> > ISP for the purpose of the ARIN NRPM."  (well, something like that, you
> get
> > the point).
> >
> >
> > Easy enough to accomplish, if folks believe that the end result will be
> more
> > clear than present approach.
>
> While I agree that from the perspective of 'this allocation is for 3rd
> party
> use' leads to LIR==ISP, the justification process and unit sizes were
> historically a little different in that ISP customer ~= /30 - /32 blocks
> while typical LIR customer  ~<  /27, and the ISP was also getting space for
> an internal infrastructure while the LIR did not. My concern is that by
> merging terms there might be an unintended consequence in the evaluation
> side of this. I have no objection to the merge and actually support the
> simplification, just asking that someone comment about potential confusion
> between those with an infrastructure (ISP), and those without (LIR). If we
> effectively split the ISPs into the LIR part supporting customers, and the
> end-user part for their infrastructure, that may simplify policy language,
> but make the justification/evaluation process more difficult.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
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