[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-173 Revisions to M&A Transfer

Steven Ryerse SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com
Thu Jul 19 22:14:10 EDT 2012

I appreciate the input!  I’ve read thru that section and it is helpful.  Unfortunately there appear to be Members who would prefer to have ARIN just reclaim all Legacy resources unilaterally.  I understand that a Legacy holder can decide to sign the LSRA, but if they elect not to for whatever reason(s) - hopefully this “Community” will never decide at some point to change ARINs policies to allow reclaiming Legacy resources unilaterally.  This is less likely while ARIN still has IPv4 Addresses & AS numbers to assign, but once they are gone, there is no guarantee that cooler heads will prevail.  It would be good if this issue was fully addressed once and for all.  The fact that I frequently see opinions both ways in the forum tells me it has not been addressed adequately yet despite the current ARIN policies that have been adopted in the past.

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From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at arin.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:57 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-173 Revisions to M&A Transfer

On Jul 19, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:

Viewing posts to this forum over time, I have concluded that there are a lot of folks who’s opinion  is that ARIN should just take control of all legacy resources and manage them however they please with input from this forum.  Then there are a lot of folks who’s opinion is that ARIN essentially doesn’t have authority over the Legacy holders resources.  Certainly all members of this forum have an equal right to their opinion and an equal right to express them here.

I’m not sure which holders of /8’s and other large blocks are still in Legacy status but the list reads like a who’s who of Fortune 500 companies.  I don’t ever see comments from those companies stating their opinions in this forum, but you can be sure their attorney’s would have an opinion and would act decisively should ARIN and this forum of Members ever try and reclaim (take) those Legacy resources away from them.

As a Legacy holder of one measly /24 block it is my opinion that ARIN and the members of this Forum don’t have the right to just reclaim (take) those resources away from Legacy holders.  That is just my opinion and I’m entitled to it - and as a member I can share it in a constructive manner.

Based on some off forum email messages I’ve received I think that there are a lot of Members who would completely agree with me.  I sense that many have tried in the past to share their view in this forum, and have tired of trying to convince this community to embrace the Legacy community in a reasonable prudent way for all and join with them in ARIN’s mission of furthering Internet usage.

Steven -

  I'm not aware of any policy discussions calling for the reclamation of resources from
  legacy holders.  In fact, such policy discussions are unlikely to be very productive,
  since the legacy registration agreement contractually precludes reclamation from
  legacy resource holders; see <https://www.arin.net/resources/legacy/> for details.


John Curran
President and CEO

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