[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment - ISP liability

Aaron Dudek adudek16 at gmail.com
Wed Aug 15 16:52:15 EDT 2012


Besides that is a conversation to have with a lawyer, not a discussion list.

On Wednesday, August 15, 2012, Aaron Dudek wrote:

> The same thing will happen that currently does. You go to their upstreams
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> On Wednesday, August 15, 2012, Chu, Yi [NTK] wrote:
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>>  So ISP A made a reassignment, and created the org ID on behalf of its
>> customer (company B).  At that time, the business location and POC were
>> correct in the swipped records.  A year later, company B changed its
>> business location, or its POC switched job.  However,  B did not notify ISP
>> A of the change.  Now some third party C has some DDOS traffic coming from
>> the company B.  C is checking on WHOIS and found the contact info for B
>> outdated.  Is this ground for C to make a legal case against ISP A?
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>> yi
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>> *From:* McTim [mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:20 PM
>> *To:* Chu, Yi [NTK]
>> *Cc:* arin-ppml at arin.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment - ISP
>> liability
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>> Hi,
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>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Chu, Yi [NTK] <Yi.Chu at sprint.com> wrote:
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>> Can ARIN staff answer the question whether ISP have legal liability
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>> Perhaps if you could be more specific about what type of liability you
>> mean?
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>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> McTim
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
>> indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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>>  for the reassignment they made on their downstream customers’ behalf?
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>> yi
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>> *From:* arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chu, Yi [NTK]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2012 4:13 PM
>> *To:* Aaron Dudek
>> *Cc:* arin-ppml at arin.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment
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>> Aaron:
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>> Not necessarily true.  Customer can move their mailing address without
>> telling their upstream ISP.  They can just forget it.  Their accounts
>> receiving department may or may not be the same as their ‘authoritative’
>> contact info that ISP put in the whois for them.
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>> Let alone the POC records.  It actually took quite a while for my company
>> to update some folks after they switched jobs. (you know whom I am
>> referring to).  I know that for a fact.  And as for my customers, I do not
>> recall last time anyone told me that their POC changed, but I suspect a lot
>> of them did.
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>> So I am a bit uneasy as the discussion seemed to implicate that I am
>> legally liable in some ways.  I need to find out, and if so, need to get my
>> acts together.  It is a bit off topic, so I apologize.
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