Besides that is a conversation to have with a lawyer, not a discussion list.<span></span><br><br>On Wednesday, August 15, 2012, Aaron Dudek wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The same thing will happen that currently does. You go to their upstreams<span></span><br><br>On Wednesday, August 15, 2012, Chu, Yi [NTK] wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So ISP A made a reassignment, and created the org ID on behalf of its customer (company B). At that time, the business location and POC were correct in the
swipped records. A year later, company B changed its business location, or its POC switched job. However, B did not notify ISP A of the change. Now some third party C has some DDOS traffic coming from the company B. C is checking on WHOIS and found the
contact info for B outdated. Is this ground for C to make a legal case against ISP A?</span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> McTim [mailto:<a>dogwallah@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:20 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment - ISP liability</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi,</p>
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<p>On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Chu, Yi [NTK] <<a>Yi.Chu@sprint.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Can ARIN staff answer the question whether ISP have legal liability</span></p>
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<p>Perhaps if you could be more specific about what type of liability you mean?</p>
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McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">for the reassignment they made on their downstream customers’ behalf?</span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a>arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> [mailto:<a>arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 14, 2012 4:13 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Aaron:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Not necessarily true. Customer can move their mailing address without telling their upstream ISP. They can just forget it. Their accounts receiving
department may or may not be the same as their ‘authoritative’ contact info that ISP put in the whois for them.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Let alone the POC records. It actually took quite a while for my company to update some folks after they switched jobs. (you know whom I am referring
to). I know that for a fact. And as for my customers, I do not recall last time anyone told me that their POC changed, but I suspect a lot of them did.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So I am a bit uneasy as the discussion seemed to implicate that I am legally liable in some ways. I need to find out, and if so, need to get my
acts together. It is a bit off topic, so I apologize.</span></p>
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