[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment - ISP liability

[Aaron Dudek]

The same thing will happen that currently does. You go to their upstreams

On Wednesday, August 15, 2012, Chu, Yi [NTK] wrote:

>  So ISP A made a reassignment, and created the org ID on behalf of its
> customer (company B).  At that time, the business location and POC were
> correct in the swipped records.  A year later, company B changed its
> business location, or its POC switched job.  However,  B did not notify ISP
> A of the change.  Now some third party C has some DDOS traffic coming from
> the company B.  C is checking on WHOIS and found the contact info for B
> outdated.  Is this ground for C to make a legal case against ISP A?
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> yi
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> *From:* McTim [mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'dogwallah at gmail.com');>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:20 PM
> *To:* Chu, Yi [NTK]
> *Cc:* arin-ppml at arin.net <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'arin-ppml at arin.net');>
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment - ISP
> liability
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> Hi,
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> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Chu, Yi [NTK] <Yi.Chu at sprint.com> wrote:
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> Can ARIN staff answer the question whether ISP have legal liability
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> Perhaps if you could be more specific about what type of liability you
> mean?
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> --
> Cheers,
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> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
> indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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>  for the reassignment they made on their downstream customers’ behalf?
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> yi
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> *From:* arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Chu, Yi [NTK]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2012 4:13 PM
> *To:* Aaron Dudek
> *Cc:* arin-ppml at arin.net
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment
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> Aaron:
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> Not necessarily true.  Customer can move their mailing address without
> telling their upstream ISP.  They can just forget it.  Their accounts
> receiving department may or may not be the same as their ‘authoritative’
> contact info that ISP put in the whois for them.
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> Let alone the POC records.  It actually took quite a while for my company
> to update some folks after they switched jobs. (you know whom I am
> referring to).  I know that for a fact.  And as for my customers, I do not
> recall last time anyone told me that their POC changed, but I suspect a lot
> of them did.
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> So I am a bit uneasy as the discussion seemed to implicate that I am
> legally liable in some ways.  I need to find out, and if so, need to get my
> acts together.  It is a bit off topic, so I apologize.
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> yi
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> *From:* Aaron Dudek [mailto:adudek16 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, Augu
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