[arin-ppml] IP Address Policy

Wed Aug 8 19:37:23 EDT 2012

Policy Proposal Template:
 https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp_appendix_b.html

Description of policy proposal process: 
https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html

The quick version: Once submitted your text will go to the Advisory Council - the chair will assign a shepherd who will help you through the process.  Your proposal will get discussed on ppml, text will be refined, it will probably be presented and debated at a public policy meeting, after which it may advance to the board, be revised or abandoned.  Regarding a point from your earlier email-
  "So fellow community members and ARIN staff,  is there a consensus to enact my proposed policy addition" - ARIN staff can not propose text, can not support or oppose a proposal, and they do not decide whether there is consensus.  Reviewing the Policy development process or talking to an AC member can help with further understanding how a proposal becomes policy.

It might be worth trying to understand why the existing text is what it is, and what other's experiences have been when writing your proposal and rationale.

--Heather

________________________________

From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Steven Ryerse
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:04 PM
To: John Curran
Cc: ARIN PPML (ppml at arin.net) (ppml at arin.net)
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Policy

ARIN is a Monopoly.  As a Monopoly ARIN does not have the right to refuse assignment solely because this community has participated in commenting on a policy.  The phone company who also is a monopoly cannot deny me a phone line just because the other folks who already have a phone don’t want me to have one or even a second one.  

Also, I have requested that the policy I proposed be entered and considered by this community and I expect that you or whoever will make that happen.  I have no experience with that so I will need help.

I would hope that ARIN would Champion someone like me who is trying to go thru proper ARIN channels for resources, instead of forcing someone like me to go around it.  By denying reasonable requests like mine, ARIN is forcing organizations like mine to participate in back-channel IP markets outside of ARIN which per your many comments on the subject – you don’t want to happen.   

It is my opinion that ARIN really doesn’t have authority over Legacy resources that are not under contract with ARIN but that isn’t what is happening here.  I am going thru proper ARIN channels to obtain needed resources and ARIN is refusing to allocate those resources to me.  

I have a need for resources and I HAVE TO FILL THEM TO STAY IN BUSINESS.  Is ARIN going to honor its Mission Statement and allocate the resources we need or not?  

Also there are a lot of folks out there who are a member of this community.  Many have privately told me that they agree with me but I don’t see them commenting publicly.  I assume they have tried in the past without success and have given up trying.  I would ask them to break their silence and contribute their comments to this subject so that all of the community out there can be heard and not just the vocal minority.  

Steven L Ryerse

President

100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA  30338

770.656.1460 - Cell

770.399.9099 - Office

770.392-0076 - Fax

Description: Description: Description: Description: Eclipse Networks Logo_small.png℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc.

        Conquering Complex Networks℠

From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at arin.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:13 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: ARIN PPML (ppml at arin.net) (ppml at arin.net)
Subject: Re: IP Address Policy

On Aug 8, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:

	...

	So because of ARIN’s policies and their unwillingness to assign me additional IPv4 resources, I am left with only one other viable solution.  

Steve - 

  ARIN's unwillingness to assign you the resources is the result of ARIN  following

  the policies set by this community, i.e. We cannot issue space simply because

  we feel that the application is made in earnest; the request has to match the policy

  set by the community because your use of that address space has implications

  for all Internet service providers.

  I will allow others to speak about the merits of the current policies for provider-

  independent IPv4 address allocations.

	That is to go out on the open market (thru Bankruptcy Court or not)  and buy a Legacy /22 from somebody who has one to sell and pay them for it and use that block. 

  Present transfer policy has the same requirements to receive that block as  

  for ARIN to issue space from the available IPv4 address pool, so no transfer 

  would be possible, even if specified from someone else who had sufficient 

  IPv4 space that could be made available. 

	I somewhat doubt based on all the submissions that I have observed in this community that I can achieve a change in ARIN’s policy but I’ll give that a try.

	ARIN’s Mission Statement from their website states:   “Applying the principles of stewardship, ARIN, a nonprofit corporation, allocates Internet Protocol resources; develops consensus-based policies; and facilitates the advancement of the Internet through information and educational outreach.”

	In keeping with ARIN’s mission of “facilitates the advancement of the Internet”, I propose that an addition to the set of ARIN’s policies be made that says the following:

	“Regardless of any other ARIN Policy,  ARIN will allocate an IP block matching ARIN’s current Minimum IP Block Size, to any organization or entity that can reasonably demonstrate a need for an IP block.”  (I will let ARIN determine the appropriate Policy number.)  

	...

	So fellow community members and ARIN staff,  is there a consensus to enact my proposed policy addition, or am I to be forced to go outside of the normal ARIN allocation process to meet my organization’s needs?  This submission is intended to be constructive and I hope it is received that way.   I look forward to constructive input from this community. 

   The merits of your proposal is should be discussed by the community;

   I do thank you for raising this issue because that is how address policy

   is improved over time.

Thanks again!

/John

John Curran

President and CEO

ARIN