[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-146 Clarify Justified Need for Transfers

[Owen DeLong]

On May 5, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Mike Burns wrote:

> Speculators can buy addresses now, but ipv4trading.com doesn't seem awash in them.

Not under current policy. They would have to be going outside of policy to do so
as it currently stands.

It is early. There are still RIR free pools.

> Speculators can buy legacy addresses now, too.

Again, not within the bounds of policy.

> Speculators and market-cornerers are naturally bound by the existence of IPv6.

True, but, this bound may be quite high compared to the price at which IPv4
addresses would be available to legitimate users without speculators.

There are also worse possibilities than speculators. Imagine anti-competitive
purchases of vast amounts of IP addresses by large organizations wanting to
gain a competitive advantage over much smaller providers where service
areas overlap.

> If they drive the price above transition cost, they will kill their own golden goose.
> Maybe this fear of speculators, of whom there is no evidence, is not justified.
> 
I don't fear speculators, I oppose them. I do, to a certain extent, fear anticompetitive
purchases and I oppose them, too.

True, none of these things has materialized yet. Perhaps this is an indication that
the current policy is working to prevent them. However, I do not believe it is a 
good reason to change policy to enable them.

Owen

> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> To: "Jeffrey Lyon" <jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net>
> Cc: "Warren Johnson" <warren at wholesaleinternet.net>; <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-146 Clarify Justified Need for Transfers
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Jeffrey Lyon
> <jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Based on the fact that you call it "petrol," i'll assume you're not in
>> the United States. My trips to the gas station take about < 5 minutes.
>> I would call that a testament to the free market.
> 
> 
> I guess you aren't old enough to remember long lines and rationing in the USA.
> 
>> 
>> But in all fairness, all governments have their hands in the cookie
>> jar. Your government more so from what I can tell.
> 
> The current petrol shortage here has little to do with gov't and
> everything to do with speculators buying stocks of fuel, despite them
> having no retail outlets.
> 
> See any resemblance to IP addressing?
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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