[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-133: No Volunteer Services on Behalf of Unaffiliated Address Blocks - revised

[Jeffrey Lyon]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
> On Feb 18, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Feb 18, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep in mind that many of us still live on that volcano.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure... It's time to move. We cannot change the direction of the lava flow.
>>>>> It will destroy your house.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't move, the results are your responsibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Owen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We'd be happy to, as soon as we gain universal vendor support. As i've
>>>> mentioned in NANOG, we're not going to flame specific vendors but more
>>>> often than not there are serious issues with native IPv6 adoption (at
>>>> least at this point).
>>>>
>>> Those vendors are about to burn down your house. It's time they felt
>>> the heat. If you aren't getting a good story from them that includes a
>>> near-term delivery date, I say "flame on".
>>>
>>> However, we have gone 100% dual stack in our environment. Were
>>> there issues at first? Yes, but, we started several years ago. Did we
>>> change some of our vendor choices along the way? You bet! If they
>>> don't support IPv6, we don't buy it and haven't for years. Turns out
>>> this is a very good way to motivate vendors.
>>>
>>> As such, I have no sympathy if you aren't moving off the mountain.
>>> I'm happy to help you relocate if you choose to, but, if you refuse
>>> to evacuate, I'm not going to have a lot of sympathy.
>>>
>>> The lava continues to advance and there is no stopping it.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>>
>>
>> We'll still get it done before most companies, so i'm not too worried.
>> One small concern I have is that i'm going to have to pay ARIN fees on
>> IPv4 and IPv6 at a time when most of my customers won't be requesting
>> the IPv6 resources.
>>
> You are misinformed. You pay the max(IPv4,IPv6), not sum(IPv4,IPv6)
> to ARIN. In mist cases, this means you pay (IPv4). In a few cases, it
> means you pay about $1,000 more total per year at the rate of (IPv6).
>
>
> Owen
>
>

Owen,

You're right, if thats the case than I am indeed misinformed.

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Jeffrey Lyon, Leadership Team
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