[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-133: No Volunteer Services on Behalf of Unaffiliated Address Blocks - revised

[Owen DeLong]

On Feb 18, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Keep in mind that many of us still live on that volcano.
>>>> 
>>>> Sure... It's time to move. We cannot change the direction of the lava flow.
>>>> It will destroy your house.
>>>> 
>>>> If you don't move, the results are your responsibility.
>>>> 
>>>> Owen
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> We'd be happy to, as soon as we gain universal vendor support. As i've
>>> mentioned in NANOG, we're not going to flame specific vendors but more
>>> often than not there are serious issues with native IPv6 adoption (at
>>> least at this point).
>>> 
>> Those vendors are about to burn down your house. It's time they felt
>> the heat. If you aren't getting a good story from them that includes a
>> near-term delivery date, I say "flame on".
>> 
>> However, we have gone 100% dual stack in our environment. Were
>> there issues at first? Yes, but, we started several years ago. Did we
>> change some of our vendor choices along the way? You bet! If they
>> don't support IPv6, we don't buy it and haven't for years. Turns out
>> this is a very good way to motivate vendors.
>> 
>> As such, I have no sympathy if you aren't moving off the mountain.
>> I'm happy to help you relocate if you choose to, but, if you refuse
>> to evacuate, I'm not going to have a lot of sympathy.
>> 
>> The lava continues to advance and there is no stopping it.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> 
> 
> We'll still get it done before most companies, so i'm not too worried.
> One small concern I have is that i'm going to have to pay ARIN fees on
> IPv4 and IPv6 at a time when most of my customers won't be requesting
> the IPv6 resources.
> 
You are misinformed. You pay the max(IPv4,IPv6), not sum(IPv4,IPv6)
to ARIN. In mist cases, this means you pay (IPv4). In a few cases, it
means you pay about $1,000 more total per year at the rate of (IPv6).


Owen