[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-133: No Volunteer Services on Behalf of Unaffiliated Address Blocks

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Wed Feb 16 13:43:44 EST 2011

On 2/15/2011 11:32 PM, George Bonser wrote:
>> The Internet will be Dead ->  Kill the Internet ?
> I don't think the internet is going to die because of whois entries.  At
> best it is just a distraction.  At worst, it is a sort of retroactive
> changing of the rules that have been in place for a very long time.  If
> it hasn't already destroyed the Internet over the past 20 years of the
> general public being on it, it isn't going to break anything over the
> next few years.  This almost seems to be like several ways of somehow
> getting hold of legacy address space or making it easier to hijack it.
> Forget it.  Those addresses were issued in a different time under
> different rules and you can't just go changing the rules now just
> because we have run out of them.

Yes you can.  There is plenty of legal precedent for doing just that
in every legal system in the world.

And in fact, we HAVE done this.  We have done it by setting up a
system to make legacy IPv4 obsolete.

What I find quite interesting is this concept that legacy holders have
special IP addressing "rights"

If this is really true, then why aren't the legacy holders arguing that
their "rights" are for IP ADDRESSING, not "IPv4 addressing"

IPv4 and IPv6 addresses are....drumroll.... "IP addresses"

If the legacy holders really and truly have special "ip addressing" 
rights then by NOT giving them FREE IPv6 assignments we are VIOLATING
those rights - and they have a legal claim to go challenge ARIN's
decision to NOT extend FREE IPv6 registrations to them.

If you peruse the handwritten spiral notebook that the "original" IPv4
addresses were assigned off of, you don't find mention of "IPv4".  You
just find "IP addresses"

If you look into the "deal" that was made when ARIN was created you
find this as well.

The concept that "Legacy IP Addresses" were specifically IPv4 and not
IPv6 is something that has been invented.  It has no basis on the 
original assignment documents that the Legacy holders are pretending 
their supposed "rights" derive from.

And, the Legacy holders know it.  They know perfectly well that there 
isn't any such thing as special rights for them just because they got 
addresses under different rules.  That is why they aren't suing ARIN for 
free IPv6 assignments.

The problem is that too many other people like you have swallowed this 
"legacy holder rights' baloney and actually believe the lie.


   We have known this time was going to
> come for a very long time.  Here we are. It is what it is.
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