[arin-ppml] NRPM 2010.1 ­ New Policies Implemented

[Martin Hannigan]

On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> Martin Hannigan wrote:
> >
> > On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> >
> >> Martin Hannigan wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Jan 13, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> marty at akamai.com wrote:
> >> >> > On 1/13/10 3:44 PM, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> marty at akamai.com wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > [ clip ]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >> How exactly is IANA held to ARIN's policies?  ARIN could  
> decide
> >> that
> >> >> >> IANA give all it's remaining IPv4 to ARIN, is IANA  
> obligated to pay
> >> >> >> attention to that?  Seems to me your not going to get IANA  
> to do
> >> >> >> jack until any policy that affects it completes the GDP.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ted
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > Ted,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Good question. Without a global policy, they aren¹t. If you  
> mean to
> >> >> ask how
> >> >> > that relationship is actually governed, you can see the  
> documents
> >> that
> >> >> > codify the relationship and the global PDP by browsing here:
> >> >> > http://www.nro.net/
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, my question was more rhetorical - meaning that  
> logically, since
> >> >> these policies depend on IANA doing something, they really  
> cannot
> >> >> be policies until IANA agrees with them and follows them.  I  
> mean, we
> >> >> can stick them in the ARIN policy manual and all that but they
> >> won't be
> >> >> followed until completion of GDP - so in essence, your  
> statement that
> >> >>
> >> >> " they _are_ both ARIN region policies regardless "
> >> >>
> >> >> has no meaning.  It's kind of like when the US Congress passes  
> a law
> >> >> then does not pass the finance bill that provides money to  
> enforce the
> >> >> law - thus, even though it's on the books, it effectively does  
> not
> >> >> exist.
> >> >>
> >> >> What I think is a much more interesting and relevant query is  
> what
> >> >> happens if either of these policies flunk out of the GDP?  Does
> >> >> ARIN's board then reverse their adoption and scrap them?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ted, I don't really know which is why I asked for  
> clarification. I
> >> > think, based on my reading, that the policy stands.
> >>
> >>
> >> I think your assuming that the ARIN board's adoption of global  
> proposals
> >> changes the proposals into regional policies - and if they fail  
> GDP that
> >> there's then a standoff between IANA and ARIN.
> >>
> >
> > I'm not making any assumptions at all. The proposal went into the
> > standard policy process and came out the other side as a policy.  
> It is
> > that straight forward. And I think that Lee Howard seems to have
> > confirmed that.
> >
>
> Lee's statement was
>
> "...status of global policy PROPOSALS within the ARIN region..."
>
> The strong implication there is that these proposals are still  
> proposals
> at this time.
>
> But I suspect Lee's hedging a bit himself, right now.  I would!!! :-)
>
> Ted
>
>


Ted,

Seems like it's written in English:

--snarf

From: 	info at arin.net
	Subject: 	[arin-ppml] NRPM 2010.1 – New Policies Implemented

	Date: 	January 13, 2010 3:06:26 PM EST

	To: 	arin-ppml at arin.net

"On 18 December 2009 the ARIN Board of Trustees, based on the
recommendation of the Advisory Council and noting that the Policy
Development Process had been followed, adopted the following number
resource policies:

[ clip [

    2009-6 (Global Proposal): Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA)
Policy for Allocation of ASN Blocks (ASNs) to Regional Internet  
Registries"

--ex snarf

Nothing in the ARIN PDP says 'just kidding' in the event that the  
global part of the proposal fails.

Thoughts?

-M<