[arin-ppml] NRPM 2010.1 ­ New Policies Implemented

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

Martin Hannigan wrote:
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> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
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>> Martin Hannigan wrote:
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>> > On Jan 13, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
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>> >> marty at akamai.com wrote:
>> >> > On 1/13/10 3:44 PM, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> marty at akamai.com wrote:
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>> >> >> How exactly is IANA held to ARIN's policies?  ARIN could decide 
>> that
>> >> >> IANA give all it's remaining IPv4 to ARIN, is IANA obligated to pay
>> >> >> attention to that?  Seems to me your not going to get IANA to do
>> >> >> jack until any policy that affects it completes the GDP.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ted
>> >> >>
>> >> > Ted,
>> >> >
>> >> > Good question. Without a global policy, they aren¹t. If you mean to
>> >> ask how
>> >> > that relationship is actually governed, you can see the documents 
>> that
>> >> > codify the relationship and the global PDP by browsing here:
>> >> > http://www.nro.net/
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Well, my question was more rhetorical - meaning that logically, since
>> >> these policies depend on IANA doing something, they really cannot
>> >> be policies until IANA agrees with them and follows them.  I mean, we
>> >> can stick them in the ARIN policy manual and all that but they 
>> won't be
>> >> followed until completion of GDP - so in essence, your statement that
>> >>
>> >> " they _are_ both ARIN region policies regardless "
>> >>
>> >> has no meaning.  It's kind of like when the US Congress passes a law
>> >> then does not pass the finance bill that provides money to enforce the
>> >> law - thus, even though it's on the books, it effectively does not
>> >> exist.
>> >>
>> >> What I think is a much more interesting and relevant query is what
>> >> happens if either of these policies flunk out of the GDP?  Does
>> >> ARIN's board then reverse their adoption and scrap them?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Ted, I don't really know which is why I asked for clarification. I
>> > think, based on my reading, that the policy stands.
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>> I think your assuming that the ARIN board's adoption of global proposals
>> changes the proposals into regional policies - and if they fail GDP that
>> there's then a standoff between IANA and ARIN.
>>
> 
> I'm not making any assumptions at all. The proposal went into the 
> standard policy process and came out the other side as a policy. It is 
> that straight forward. And I think that Lee Howard seems to have 
> confirmed that.
> 

Lee's statement was

"...status of global policy PROPOSALS within the ARIN region..."

The strong implication there is that these proposals are still proposals
at this time.

But I suspect Lee's hedging a bit himself, right now.  I would!!! :-)

Ted

> Best,
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> -M<
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