[arin-ppml] NRPM 2010.1 ­ New Policies Implemented

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

Martin Hannigan wrote:
> 
> On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> 
>> Martin Hannigan wrote:
>> >
>> > On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> >
>> >> Martin Hannigan wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > On Jan 13, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> marty at akamai.com wrote:
>> >> >> > On 1/13/10 3:44 PM, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> marty at akamai.com wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > [ clip ]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> How exactly is IANA held to ARIN's policies?  ARIN could decide
>> >> that
>> >> >> >> IANA give all it's remaining IPv4 to ARIN, is IANA obligated 
>> to pay
>> >> >> >> attention to that?  Seems to me your not going to get IANA to do
>> >> >> >> jack until any policy that affects it completes the GDP.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Ted
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > Ted,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Good question. Without a global policy, they aren¹t. If you 
>> mean to
>> >> >> ask how
>> >> >> > that relationship is actually governed, you can see the documents
>> >> that
>> >> >> > codify the relationship and the global PDP by browsing here:
>> >> >> > http://www.nro.net/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well, my question was more rhetorical - meaning that logically, 
>> since
>> >> >> these policies depend on IANA doing something, they really cannot
>> >> >> be policies until IANA agrees with them and follows them.  I 
>> mean, we
>> >> >> can stick them in the ARIN policy manual and all that but they
>> >> won't be
>> >> >> followed until completion of GDP - so in essence, your statement 
>> that
>> >> >>
>> >> >> " they _are_ both ARIN region policies regardless "
>> >> >>
>> >> >> has no meaning.  It's kind of like when the US Congress passes a 
>> law
>> >> >> then does not pass the finance bill that provides money to 
>> enforce the
>> >> >> law - thus, even though it's on the books, it effectively does not
>> >> >> exist.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What I think is a much more interesting and relevant query is what
>> >> >> happens if either of these policies flunk out of the GDP?  Does
>> >> >> ARIN's board then reverse their adoption and scrap them?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Ted, I don't really know which is why I asked for clarification. I
>> >> > think, based on my reading, that the policy stands.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I think your assuming that the ARIN board's adoption of global 
>> proposals
>> >> changes the proposals into regional policies - and if they fail GDP 
>> that
>> >> there's then a standoff between IANA and ARIN.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I'm not making any assumptions at all. The proposal went into the
>> > standard policy process and came out the other side as a policy. It is
>> > that straight forward. And I think that Lee Howard seems to have
>> > confirmed that.
>> >
>>
>> Lee's statement was
>>
>> "...status of global policy PROPOSALS within the ARIN region..."
>>
>> The strong implication there is that these proposals are still proposals
>> at this time.
>>
>> But I suspect Lee's hedging a bit himself, right now.  I would!!! :-)
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Ted,
> 
> Seems like it's written in English:
> 
> --snarf
> 
> From:     info at arin.net
>     Subject:     [arin-ppml] NRPM 2010.1 – New Policies Implemented
> 
>     Date:     January 13, 2010 3:06:26 PM EST
> 
>     To:     arin-ppml at arin.net
> 
> "On 18 December 2009 the ARIN Board of Trustees, based on the
> recommendation of the Advisory Council and noting that the Policy
> Development Process had been followed, adopted the following number
> resource policies:
> 
> [ clip [
> 
>    2009-6 (Global Proposal): Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA)
> Policy for Allocation of ASN Blocks (ASNs) to Regional Internet Registries"
> 
> --ex snarf
> 
> Nothing in the ARIN PDP says 'just kidding' in the event that the global 
> part of the proposal fails.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 

Going back to what I said originally, ARIN (or any other RIR) can adopt
all the policies they want that says IANA do this, IANA do that - but 
IANA ain't gonna do squat unless a policy proposal is adopted though
the GDP

Personally, I think the biggest problem is this rubbish about having the
RIR adopt a global policy first, then sending it on to IANA.  I've 
always thought that was bass-ackwards.

This situation is almost spot-on identical to the disaster that was
the 1972 US Equal Rights Amendment.  Imagine the millions of dollars 
thrown into that campaign where almost the entire country's state 
legislatures ratified it then the thing was scotched, shy of 3 states - 
leaving dozens of states in legal limbo - since how in the hell does a 
state government that passed ERA then turn around and argue against an 
equivalent ERA to it's own state constitution?  As a matter of fact
IT CAN'T since 16 of those states then turned around and added it in
to their state constitutions.  As a result, in the US today, we have
half of the country that has ERA as state law, (21 states) and half of 
the country that does not, with the feds still dithering around about it.

Ted