[arin-ppml] 2009.10.22 ARIN 24 day 2 part 2 notes

[Joe Maimon]

Being as remote comments are copy pasteable from my jabber window, I 
think I have an unfair advantage.

I dont think there is any reason locals cant hang out in the jabber chat 
as well.


Matthew Petach wrote:
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> Thanks for the corrections--it's harder to jot down the text being
> read from the remote participants, because the person reading
> it doesn't have to pause to think, the way everyone else in the
> room has to--which tends to overrun my internal buffer, leading
> to more dropped bits in the notes.  ^_^;
>
> Maybe I should put these on a twiki so they can be edited
> directly afterwards.  :)
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Matt
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> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon at chl.com 
> <mailto:jmaimon at chl.com>> wrote:
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>     Thanks Matt!
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>
>     Matthew Petach wrote:
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>         Draft policy 2009-8: equitable IPv4 run-out
>         June 8th, 2009, draft policy 2009 aug 31
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>         similar policies in all regions.
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>         Ted Middlestat--in favour of policy, though he doesn't
>         think policy will help; orgs who are smart will move
>         to IPv6.  The stupid ones will be gaming the system
>         anyhow, and generating bogus needs.  Orgs that need a /17
>         will generate requests for /15s instead.  The Friday
>         night party will be all the procrastinators who haven't
>         prepared, and will be out of business 6 months later.
>         So, this is harmless anyhow.
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>         Joe Maimon supports the policy; if one or a few big
>         players clear out the final supply, we can end up with
>         a prime time sound bite.  ARIN should aim to prevent
>         gaming.
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>     (2:26:17 PM) jmaimon: Joe Maimon - CHL, Pronouncable in many
>     equally correct ways, but usually as Maymin or Mymin with equal
>     stress on each half.
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>     I support this policy. I think that a scenario described where all
>     scarce resources are cleaned out by one or a few big players could
>     be the final black eye for the rir system in the eyes of many. It
>     may even create a prime time news sound bite. I do not believe
>     this policy is the be all end all, but I do not believe that
>     policies should address potential gaming, ARIN staff is
>     responsible as always for detecting and preventing gaming.
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>         Policies reviewed
>         identify invalid whois POC 2008-7
>          not fully implemented, some issues to bring to community
>          and get feedback
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>         Ted; if you don't support sending email to the downstream,
>         raise policy to change NRPM.
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>         Joe Maimon, if you don't agree with this, emergency policy
>         action may be needed.
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>     (3:50:41 PM) jmaimon: Yes, but if ARIN is going to delay
>     implementation, then emergency policy action to excise
>     reassignments is actually more apropriate
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>     I made this comment to address Chris concern that a complete
>     review occur before run out, I suggested that instead of waiting
>     policy cycle without implementation, this could qualify for the
>     BoT to take more prompt action.
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