[arin-ppml] 2009.10.21 ARIN 24 first day morning notes

[Matthew Petach]

For those following remotely, here's some notes from the first half of the
first
day of ARIN 24.

Matt



2009.10.21 ARIN Wednesday notes

John Curran calls the ARIN 24 meeting to
order at 1100 hours Eastern Time.

Board of Trustees up at the desk.

John, President and CEO
Scott Bradner, Treasurer
Timothy Denton,
Lee Howard

Advisory Council, most are in the room

NRO number council is in the room

RIR calleagues are in the room as well.

ARIN management team is mostly here.

Fellowship recipients are here learning lessons
to take back to their community.

The Postel Network Operator's Scholar is here
too.

First timer's lunch was yesterday

Daily survey
http://www.arin.net/ARIN-XXIV/survey/

submit between 8am and 6pm EDT
Today's winner, prize will get emailed.

Wesley George from Sprint wins today

Welcome remote participants
They do count for remote show of hands as well!

You should have your participant's packet as well,
all policies are listed in it as well.
Your own NRPM is included in it as well.
Election info is included as well.

179 attendees, 8 canada, 1 carribbean, remote 26,
107 joint NANOG/ARIN participants

Get Social!
Follow the meeting on Twitter--#arin24
TeamARIN on facebook
/user/TeamARIN on youtube.

Merit and Arbor, the sponsors,
United Layer, transportation sponsors.

Chair moderates discussion of all drafts.
Please clearly state name and affiliation each time
you are recognized at the mic

Please, speak once at mic, and let all others go
first before returning to mic.

AGENDA
PDP report
Intenet numbers report

Candidate speeches
board advisory council

drafts on deck today:
2009-6 --global allocation policy
2009-7 --open access to v6

John has a little presentation on transfer policy,
policy 2009-1

This was an epic event.
Board adopted 2008-6, emergency transfer policy for
IPv4 addresses

Board invoked a special policy action of the PDP to
revise 2008-6 prior to its implementation

PDP allows for special action
allows for temporary creation, modification, or
suspension of the policy.

board notified ppml of the emergency action
So 2009-1 was adopted in May
Added requirement for recipient to be in ARIN
region, and removed sunset clause

Last part of PDP special policy actions
requires presentation at the next public
policy meeting after adoption

Leo Bicknell, ISC
Has anyone used the transfer policy?

Yes, 2 completed, and 1 pending under policy
It's visible in the actions, but not broken
out separately.

ARIN Elections
2009 ARIN region NRO number council
Judd Lewis, member services

The details
1 open seat, 3 year term, starts Jan 2010
ARIN DMR, registered NANOG47 attendees, and registered
 ARIN XXIV attendees
Vote early!
https://www.arin.net/app/election/

what email address should you use when voting today?
Use DMR email if you have one
otherwise, use email you signed up for the meeting with.

Voting closes for everyone today at 5pm.

You can stop by the election helpdesk if you
have any issues with voting.

Back to John to introduce candidates.
Babak Pasdar statement is read by John, and
can be found in the election packet and online.

Louie Lee will read his own statement.

Can multiple DMR accounts, can they be merged?

Regional PDP report is next.
Einar Bolan

proposal of topics at the 5 RIRs
2 IPv4, 2 IPv6, 0 directory services, 1 ASNs, 0 Other
for ARIN discussion

table showing what status of different proposals
is in each region.

There's a table with links to the different policies
in each region being discussed.
Many are around IPv4 allocations in the face of
runout, IPv6 allocation policies.

http://www.nro.org/documents/index.html
comparies policies in each region that are
in process.

Next up is Internet Number Resource Status Report
Leslie Nobile is up next.
IPv4 and IPv6 and AS number stats
This goes back to 1999, 10 years of stats.
IANA reserved space, 26 /8s remaining
35 /8s in tech community, not available
central registry, legacy space, 91 /8s
handed out prior to RIRs.
104 /8s for the other 5 RIRs since inception
in 2008, a bit over 12 /8's allocated, with
APNIC doing more than any other region.

ASN assignments, ARIN slightly more than RIPE

Total IPv6 space slides
506 /12s with IANA in reserve
each RIRs get /12s
Prior to that, /23s from IANA, 3 for special purpose

Allocations for IPv6, RIPE is far above everyone
else.
RIPE is 1600 to ARIN 700.
In terms of /32s, RIPE allocated almost 34,000 /32s
ARIN about 15,000 /32s

Links to RIR statistics

Dave Barger, ATT
Good information about history; are there plans to augment
data with IPv4 exhaustion in this report?

John doesn't maintain an IPv4 depletion forecast.
There are sites that do it, Geoff Huston does that
at APNIC.  Do we really want to duplicate efforts?
Is there value in doing a greenfield effort in that
space?

ATT responds--they use Geoff Huston's site for
IPv6 efforts.  But John published a report saying
that we'll run out in 2 years.  So, there's two
sources of data; which one do they believe?  They're
more apt to believe ARIN.  Where does responsibility
reside?

John--it would be a tragedy if they were ready too
soon; but being a forecast, the number will move
from time to time.  Very soon, all RIRs coordinating
through NRO will announce we are down to less than
10% of the space remaining.  Perhaps an updated
letter may be forthcoming.

ATT--if Geoff's site is considered most accurate,
perhaps send out note indicating that.

Jason Schiller, Verizon
Would like to see ARIN publish a number for runout,
it would be good to have it be their *own* number,
even if it's close to Tony or Geoff's number.
A live number that gets updated perhaps monthly on
the website.

Joe Maimon--if all large allocations go to providers,
is it known when they will be coming back to the well?

John knows when everyone got their last block, and
can build a sawtooth demand on when they are likely
to come back for their next request based on history
If you project that forward, you get a model that
looks a lot like Geoff's data.

Matt, Affilias
ASN stats include 4byte; are there stats on how many
people keep them?

278 4byte requsts, 49 issued, 11 active, rest have
all been returned as unusable.

Mystery person at mic says:
If there were multiple sources, having a range of
those numbers would show there's risk of analysis,
might get people moving more quickly.


Aaron Hughes--few different sources of data;
live counter sites showing reclaimed and remaing
data; others do averages on data.  This is a moving
date, and will change.
Longer-term predictions based on chief scientists
looking at models.  Do we want to hire a chief
scientist to do this, knowing that every time we
make a policy decision, we affect the data for
runout predictions?


Mark McFadden, IANA update
IANA pool's status
Special addresses
mechanism for allocating /8s
introduction of reverse DNS self-management system

IANA Free pool status
26 /8s unicast IPv4, 5 are reserved for end-state.

Rate of IANA allocation rate to RIRs
website lets you sort by date to see year by year
how many are being allocated, and how fast it is
accelerated.
8 16-bit ASN blocks remaining

special addresses
thanks to APNIC for providing 2 new /24s for documentation
 198.51.100.0/24
 203.0.113.0/24
draft-iana-ipv4-examples

Throw some back
14.0.0.0/8 was recovered with x.25 operator community
 in 2007
That's the only /8 recovered by IANA in that way
Been working on ARIN and IESG for smaller block recovery
 128.66.0.0/16
 192.128.0.0/17
 192.0.48.0/18
 etc.

allocation scheme
remaining /8s split into 2 pools based on Duane Wessels
  2008 research
RIRs get 1 /8 from each pool, when justified
a "dirty" and "clean" pool
selection mechanism is random and based on RFC 2777
2 less used /8s set aside for each of AfriNIC and LACNIC
 (clean pool)--their rate of request is so much lower.

Introduce reverse DNS self management system.
security based on HTTPS transport and x.509 PKI
allows in-addr.arpa and ip6.arpa to be DNSSec signed
allows RIRs to manage their delegations in real time.

IDN ccTLD Fast Track Launch
(intenationalized domain names in ccTLD)
launch proposed for Nov 16
requests go through the fast track evaluation and
 then the regular IANA delegation process
expect 50-60 requests for TLDs representing 15-20
 languages.

IANA business excellence
2009-2011 strategic plan includes "strive for excellence
in core operations" as a priority.
insanely long link included.

introducing a work program to make sure there is a
systematic, measturable, sustainable framework for
improvement.  Following a European model, but very
similar to others people have heard of.

Dec 16, document to be completed
Jan 13, self assessment published

2009 Communication plan, aiming to take advantage
of new communication methods, using new tools like
what ARIN talked about this morning.

IANA news posted to twitter
http://www.twitter.com/theiana
low volume, but good way to keep up with their
work.

Bill Dart, ARIN AC
You mentioned there are 26 /8s available in the free
pool, 5 set aside by policy for RIR at endgame.
And 2 /8s reserved for LACNIC and AfriNIC, so is
that 7 total?

The 2 separate for LACNIC and AfriNIC are within
the current clean pool within the 21 still remaining.

Martin Hannigan
Why do LACNIC and AfriNIC need clean space?  Why
can't they work with the rest of us to clean up the
mess?

The rate they use addresses is so slow, they might
otherwise not ever get clean space.


Paul Wilson, APNIC
cleaning up mess is easier said than done.
Can IANA do more to clean before handing over the
addresses from the pool?
To ask RIR outside of this part of world to
take action from their part of the world against
activities happening in this part of the world
is asking a lot.
IANA, as custodian of the blocks probably has
the most ability to take action sooner rather
than later.

IANA would certainly take action if it were
sure to be effective in some way.  Yes, different
regions have different abilities to affect the
issue, certainly.
An effective plan is needed for what IANA could
do to address the problem; would it be a letter
writing campaign, and who would it be sent to?
He's very open to suggestions on what can be
done to help reduce free pool abuse.

OwenDeLong, HE.net, ARIN AC
We first need to divide dirty pool into 2
categories; internal users, where we only
see it via leaked DNS queries; and really
dirty, where it's actually visible on the
Internet.  Internal issues are harder to
deal with, but external leakage you can
hit the upstream.

David Williamson, tellme
The final 5 blocks, have they been identified?
NO
which pool is larger?
Dirty pool is larger

LUNCH TIME!
Bistro.

AC topic tables -- choose your table based on
interests.

NRO voting closes at 5pm.  Take valuables with
you, there is no security in here during lunch!
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