<br>For those following remotely, here's some notes from the first half of the first<br>day of ARIN 24.<br><br>Matt<br><br><br><br>2009.10.21 ARIN Wednesday notes<br><br>John Curran calls the ARIN 24 meeting to <br>order at 1100 hours Eastern Time.<br>
<br>Board of Trustees up at the desk.<br><br>John, President and CEO<br>Scott Bradner, Treasurer<br>Timothy Denton, <br>Lee Howard<br><br>Advisory Council, most are in the room<br><br>NRO number council is in the room<br>
<br>RIR calleagues are in the room as well.<br><br>ARIN management team is mostly here.<br><br>Fellowship recipients are here learning lessons<br>to take back to their community.<br><br>The Postel Network Operator's Scholar is here<br>
too.<br><br>First timer's lunch was yesterday<br><br>Daily survey<br><a href="http://www.arin.net/ARIN-XXIV/survey/">http://www.arin.net/ARIN-XXIV/survey/</a><br><br>submit between 8am and 6pm EDT<br>Today's winner, prize will get emailed.<br>
<br>Wesley George from Sprint wins today<br><br>Welcome remote participants<br>They do count for remote show of hands as well!<br><br>You should have your participant's packet as well,<br>all policies are listed in it as well.<br>
Your own NRPM is included in it as well.<br>Election info is included as well.<br><br>179 attendees, 8 canada, 1 carribbean, remote 26,<br>107 joint NANOG/ARIN participants<br><br>Get Social!<br>Follow the meeting on Twitter--#arin24<br>
TeamARIN on facebook<br>/user/TeamARIN on youtube.<br><br>Merit and Arbor, the sponsors,<br>United Layer, transportation sponsors.<br><br>Chair moderates discussion of all drafts.<br>Please clearly state name and affiliation each time<br>
you are recognized at the mic<br><br>Please, speak once at mic, and let all others go<br>first before returning to mic.<br><br>AGENDA<br>PDP report<br>Intenet numbers report<br><br>Candidate speeches<br>board advisory council<br>
<br>drafts on deck today:<br>2009-6 --global allocation policy<br>2009-7 --open access to v6<br><br>John has a little presentation on transfer policy,<br>policy 2009-1<br><br>This was an epic event.<br>Board adopted 2008-6, emergency transfer policy for<br>
IPv4 addresses<br><br>Board invoked a special policy action of the PDP to<br>revise 2008-6 prior to its implementation<br><br>PDP allows for special action<br>allows for temporary creation, modification, or<br>suspension of the policy.<br>
<br>board notified ppml of the emergency action<br>So 2009-1 was adopted in May<br>Added requirement for recipient to be in ARIN<br>region, and removed sunset clause<br><br>Last part of PDP special policy actions<br>requires presentation at the next public<br>
policy meeting after adoption<br><br>Leo Bicknell, ISC<br>Has anyone used the transfer policy?<br><br>Yes, 2 completed, and 1 pending under policy<br>It's visible in the actions, but not broken <br>out separately.<br>
<br>ARIN Elections<br>2009 ARIN region NRO number council<br>Judd Lewis, member services<br><br>The details<br>1 open seat, 3 year term, starts Jan 2010<br>ARIN DMR, registered NANOG47 attendees, and registered<br> ARIN XXIV attendees<br>
Vote early!<br><a href="https://www.arin.net/app/election/">https://www.arin.net/app/election/</a><br><br>what email address should you use when voting today?<br>Use DMR email if you have one<br>otherwise, use email you signed up for the meeting with.<br>
<br>Voting closes for everyone today at 5pm.<br><br>You can stop by the election helpdesk if you<br>have any issues with voting.<br><br>Back to John to introduce candidates.<br>Babak Pasdar statement is read by John, and<br>
can be found in the election packet and online.<br><br>Louie Lee will read his own statement.<br><br>Can multiple DMR accounts, can they be merged?<br><br>Regional PDP report is next.<br>Einar Bolan<br><br>proposal of topics at the 5 RIRs<br>
2 IPv4, 2 IPv6, 0 directory services, 1 ASNs, 0 Other<br>for ARIN discussion<br><br>table showing what status of different proposals<br>is in each region.<br><br>There's a table with links to the different policies<br>
in each region being discussed.<br>Many are around IPv4 allocations in the face of<br>runout, IPv6 allocation policies.<br><br><a href="http://www.nro.org/documents/index.html">http://www.nro.org/documents/index.html</a><br>
comparies policies in each region that are<br>in process.<br><br>Next up is Internet Number Resource Status Report<br>Leslie Nobile is up next.<br>IPv4 and IPv6 and AS number stats<br>This goes back to 1999, 10 years of stats.<br>
IANA reserved space, 26 /8s remaining<br>35 /8s in tech community, not available<br>central registry, legacy space, 91 /8s<br>handed out prior to RIRs.<br>104 /8s for the other 5 RIRs since inception<br>in 2008, a bit over 12 /8's allocated, with<br>
APNIC doing more than any other region.<br><br>ASN assignments, ARIN slightly more than RIPE<br><br>Total IPv6 space slides<br>506 /12s with IANA in reserve<br>each RIRs get /12s<br>Prior to that, /23s from IANA, 3 for special purpose<br>
<br>Allocations for IPv6, RIPE is far above everyone<br>else.<br>RIPE is 1600 to ARIN 700.<br>In terms of /32s, RIPE allocated almost 34,000 /32s<br>ARIN about 15,000 /32s<br><br>Links to RIR statistics<br><br>Dave Barger, ATT<br>
Good information about history; are there plans to augment<br>data with IPv4 exhaustion in this report?<br><br>John doesn't maintain an IPv4 depletion forecast.<br>There are sites that do it, Geoff Huston does that<br>
at APNIC. Do we really want to duplicate efforts?<br>Is there value in doing a greenfield effort in that<br>space?<br><br>ATT responds--they use Geoff Huston's site for<br>IPv6 efforts. But John published a report saying<br>
that we'll run out in 2 years. So, there's two<br>sources of data; which one do they believe? They're<br>more apt to believe ARIN. Where does responsibility<br>reside?<br><br>John--it would be a tragedy if they were ready too<br>
soon; but being a forecast, the number will move<br>from time to time. Very soon, all RIRs coordinating<br>through NRO will announce we are down to less than<br>10% of the space remaining. Perhaps an updated <br>letter may be forthcoming.<br>
<br>ATT--if Geoff's site is considered most accurate,<br>perhaps send out note indicating that.<br><br>Jason Schiller, Verizon<br>Would like to see ARIN publish a number for runout,<br>it would be good to have it be their *own* number,<br>
even if it's close to Tony or Geoff's number.<br>A live number that gets updated perhaps monthly on<br>the website.<br><br>Joe Maimon--if all large allocations go to providers,<br>is it known when they will be coming back to the well?<br>
<br>John knows when everyone got their last block, and<br>can build a sawtooth demand on when they are likely<br>to come back for their next request based on history<br>If you project that forward, you get a model that<br>
looks a lot like Geoff's data. <br><br>Matt, Affilias<br>ASN stats include 4byte; are there stats on how many<br>people keep them?<br><br>278 4byte requsts, 49 issued, 11 active, rest have<br>all been returned as unusable.<br>
<br>Mystery person at mic says:<br>If there were multiple sources, having a range of<br>those numbers would show there's risk of analysis,<br>might get people moving more quickly.<br><br><br>Aaron Hughes--few different sources of data;<br>
live counter sites showing reclaimed and remaing<br>data; others do averages on data. This is a moving<br>date, and will change.<br>Longer-term predictions based on chief scientists<br>looking at models. Do we want to hire a chief<br>
scientist to do this, knowing that every time we<br>make a policy decision, we affect the data for<br>runout predictions?<br><br><br>Mark McFadden, IANA update<br>IANA pool's status<br>Special addresses<br>mechanism for allocating /8s<br>
introduction of reverse DNS self-management system<br><br>IANA Free pool status<br>26 /8s unicast IPv4, 5 are reserved for end-state.<br><br>Rate of IANA allocation rate to RIRs<br>website lets you sort by date to see year by year<br>
how many are being allocated, and how fast it is<br>accelerated.<br>8 16-bit ASN blocks remaining<br><br>special addresses<br>thanks to APNIC for providing 2 new /24s for documentation<br> <a href="http://198.51.100.0/24">198.51.100.0/24</a><br>
<a href="http://203.0.113.0/24">203.0.113.0/24</a><br>draft-iana-ipv4-examples<br><br>Throw some back<br><a href="http://14.0.0.0/8">14.0.0.0/8</a> was recovered with x.25 operator community<br> in 2007<br>That's the only /8 recovered by IANA in that way<br>
Been working on ARIN and IESG for smaller block recovery<br> <a href="http://128.66.0.0/16">128.66.0.0/16</a><br> <a href="http://192.128.0.0/17">192.128.0.0/17</a><br> <a href="http://192.0.48.0/18">192.0.48.0/18</a><br>
etc.<br><br>allocation scheme<br>remaining /8s split into 2 pools based on Duane Wessels<br> 2008 research<br>RIRs get 1 /8 from each pool, when justified<br>a "dirty" and "clean" pool<br>selection mechanism is random and based on RFC 2777<br>
2 less used /8s set aside for each of AfriNIC and LACNIC<br> (clean pool)--their rate of request is so much lower.<br><br>Introduce reverse DNS self management system.<br>security based on HTTPS transport and x.509 PKI<br>
allows in-addr.arpa and ip6.arpa to be DNSSec signed<br>allows RIRs to manage their delegations in real time.<br><br>IDN ccTLD Fast Track Launch<br>(intenationalized domain names in ccTLD)<br>launch proposed for Nov 16<br>
requests go through the fast track evaluation and <br> then the regular IANA delegation process<br>expect 50-60 requests for TLDs representing 15-20<br> languages.<br><br>IANA business excellence<br>2009-2011 strategic plan includes "strive for excellence<br>
in core operations" as a priority.<br>insanely long link included.<br><br>introducing a work program to make sure there is a<br>systematic, measturable, sustainable framework for<br>improvement. Following a European model, but very<br>
similar to others people have heard of.<br><br>Dec 16, document to be completed<br>Jan 13, self assessment published<br><br>2009 Communication plan, aiming to take advantage<br>of new communication methods, using new tools like<br>
what ARIN talked about this morning.<br><br>IANA news posted to twitter<br><a href="http://www.twitter.com/theiana">http://www.twitter.com/theiana</a><br>low volume, but good way to keep up with their<br>work.<br><br>Bill Dart, ARIN AC<br>
You mentioned there are 26 /8s available in the free<br>pool, 5 set aside by policy for RIR at endgame.<br>And 2 /8s reserved for LACNIC and AfriNIC, so is<br>that 7 total?<br><br>The 2 separate for LACNIC and AfriNIC are within<br>
the current clean pool within the 21 still remaining.<br><br>Martin Hannigan<br>Why do LACNIC and AfriNIC need clean space? Why<br>can't they work with the rest of us to clean up the<br>mess?<br><br>The rate they use addresses is so slow, they might<br>
otherwise not ever get clean space.<br><br><br>Paul Wilson, APNIC<br>cleaning up mess is easier said than done.<br>Can IANA do more to clean before handing over the<br>addresses from the pool?<br>To ask RIR outside of this part of world to<br>
take action from their part of the world against<br>activities happening in this part of the world<br>is asking a lot.<br>IANA, as custodian of the blocks probably has<br>the most ability to take action sooner rather<br>than later.<br>
<br>IANA would certainly take action if it were<br>sure to be effective in some way. Yes, different<br>regions have different abilities to affect the<br>issue, certainly.<br>An effective plan is needed for what IANA could<br>
do to address the problem; would it be a letter<br>writing campaign, and who would it be sent to?<br>He's very open to suggestions on what can be<br>done to help reduce free pool abuse.<br><br>OwenDeLong, HE.net, ARIN AC<br>
We first need to divide dirty pool into 2<br>categories; internal users, where we only<br>see it via leaked DNS queries; and really<br>dirty, where it's actually visible on the<br>Internet. Internal issues are harder to<br>
deal with, but external leakage you can<br>hit the upstream.<br><br>David Williamson, tellme<br>The final 5 blocks, have they been identified?<br>NO<br>which pool is larger?<br>Dirty pool is larger<br><br>LUNCH TIME!<br>Bistro.<br>
<br>AC topic tables -- choose your table based on<br>interests.<br><br>NRO voting closes at 5pm. Take valuables with<br>you, there is no security in here during lunch!<br><br><br><br>