[arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the Right of Education

Christopher Mettin cmettin at gqbc-online.com
Sun Nov 29 10:20:25 EST 2009

ARIN Community,

We haven't made a request yet. I was only registering a POC and an ORG ID
yet. I still wait for the approval of the Org Id in order to request an
address block.

I will check the classes of assignment asap. Maybe I can find something
useful. But I never heard or read about special treatments before.

According to IANA there should be LIRs under each RIR. Originally I wanted
to request addresses directly from IANA but they referred me to ARIN and
gave me a link to a chart showing how IP allocation is managed. This chart
showed a LIR on the lowest level assigning IP addresses to end users.

But would there generally be a problem with my model of assigning IP
addresses to educational institutions through GQHS as LIR?

Thank you.

Sincerely yours,
Christopher Mettin
Gymnasium Querfurt High School

-----Original Message-----
From: bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com [mailto:bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:00 PM
To: Christopher Mettin
Cc: bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the Right of

 has GQHS made application to ARIN for a (bunch) of /20 addresses, been able
 to justify the request and had the request denied?

 as to fee structures, there is a current proposal to treat some classes of
 assignments differently wrt fee structures.  you might do a bit of homework
 on that proposal and see if it meets your needs.

 and last I checked, there was no concept of LIR in the ARIN region.  YMMV
of course.


On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 03:20:58PM +0100, Christopher Mettin wrote:
> ARIN Community,
> Why doesn't ARIN allocate GQHS a bunch of /20 addresses for the purpose of
> quasi-ISP service and we assign /24 addresses to verified educational
> institutions for a much smaller fee?
> That would be a possible solution. It doesn't cause ARIN any costs and all
> fees would be directly and entirely submitted to ARIN. Also, In the end
> could maybe receive more from fees of several smaller sub allocations than
> from one larger allocation.
> Another preference is that there would be no address space fragmentation
> the RIR level, GQHS would figure as a LIR except for the fact that ARIN
> would be sub delegated to charged by GQHS.
> I am looking forward to receive comments on this idea.
> Thank you.
> Sincerely yours,
> Christopher Mettin
> Gymnaium Querfurt High School
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com [mailto:bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com]

> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:10 PM
> To: Christopher Mettin
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net; 'Per Heldal'
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the Right of
> Education
> ARIN manages the IP space for its region based on the consent of its 
> members and the governments in that region.
> ARINs finances are a matter of public record - you can find them on the
> ARIN web site.
> As for your proposal to replace ARIN with GQHS, I for one, would like to 
> see the dialog between you/GQHS and the IANA as a matter of public record.
> If you would like to change the ARIN proceedures for address allocation
> stewardship - the process is open and available to all.  You just have to
> convince others to agree with you on your well thought out, viable
> alternative.
> Please ensure that you either cover all the things ARIN does or find other
> parties to take on those roles.
> Luck
> --bill
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 01:53:26PM +0100, Christopher Mettin wrote:
> > ARIN Community,
> > 
> > Why does ARIN manage the IP addresses allocated to North America? Did
> > win a competition in cost-effeteness and reliability?
> > 
> > And does ARIN show a proof that the fees cover at least 90% of their
> > operating costs?
> > 
> > If IANA would replace ARIN with GQHS today, I could offer everyone a /20
> > block for just $10 annually and no cent more. GQHS will also have less
> > operation costs and that will save our environment a lot.
> > 
> > I will propose this idea to IANA soon. Maybe "Virginian non-profit"
> actually
> > means they just don't have any stocks but I bet they make a million
> revenue
> > each year. At all, they are not the right organization to manage IP
> > addresses it seems.
> > 
> > Has anyone a problem with IP addresses given away for as cheap as a .com
> > domain?
> > 
> > Sincerely yours,
> > Christopher
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Per Heldal [mailto:heldal at eml.cc] 
> > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:05 AM
> > To: Christopher Mettin
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the Right
> > Education
> > 
> > On 11/29/2009 02:16 AM, Christopher Mettin wrote:
> > > The fact that one can't access the Internet without an IP address and
> that
> > > ARIN sells them.
> > 
> > RIR's don't sell IP-addresses. Addresses are assigned for a documented 
> > purpose. The RIRs are not-for-profit organisations. The fee is not for 
> > the IP-addresses themselves, but rather to cover the administrative 
> > costs of running the RIR-operations organization.
> > 
> > >> My suggestion would be that you hit up your respective ISPs to give
> > >> static addresses at no extra charge for the good will and possible
> > >> benefits.  Even if they're only willing to give you /29s, you can
> > >> harmonize your RFC1918 address space use and use VPNs that properly
> > >> reflect your security policies.
> > >
> > > Yep, VPS, you cannot set them up so easily if you don't have a
> > > known (static) IP address of the end-point. Where should we send the
> > > connection request if our IP always changes? Maybe try out every host
> > the
> > > entire ISP subnet?
> > >
> > > Our Internet connection is paid by the state. And under the current
> > contract
> > > we actually even not allowed to publish a simple website from our
> network.
> > > So why should they give us a static IP to make it easier for us to do
> so?
> > >
> > 
> > You can not blame the internet-community for your organisation's failure

> > to negotiate a contract that meets your needs. I doubt you'll find a 
> > serious SP anywhere that doesn't offer contracts that include static 
> > addressing. So far there's been no mention of a need for multi-homing 
> > which normally is the key requirement to justify direct assignments. 
> > What difference does the fee make if you don't qualify for an allocation

> > in the first place.
> > 
> > 
> > > So the reason why ARIN should change its policies is that we want ARIN
> to
> > > allocate us some IP addresses which are the only way for us to solve
> > > little problem.
> > 
> > You should resolve this with the people who are responsible for a 
> > service-contract that doesn't meet your functional requirements.
> > 
> > 
> > //per
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