[arin-ppml] Continuation: Policy Change Request: IP Address Assignment to Educational and Non-Commercial Organizations

Christopher Mettin cmettin at gqbc-online.com
Sat Nov 28 22:06:42 EST 2009

Thanks. We thought about using a tunnel, yeah. But it is easier to manage
the network if we continue to use IPv4 addresses rather than changing to

Our ISP said they won't give us a static IP but I am not sure about BGP. We
would check this and if they won't, we would try the tunnel way.

It would be awesome if we had a few IP's already, so we could test all this.

Thank you.

Sincerely yours,
Christopher Mettin

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Leibrand [mailto:scottleibrand at gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:02 AM
To: Christopher Mettin
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Continuation: Policy Change Request: IP Address
Assignment to Educational and Non-Commercial Organizations

Will your ISP run BGP with you? If not, you can't route a netblock you  
get from ARIN or anyone else. If you can get a static IP from them,  
you could conceivably run a tunnel to someone else who'd run BGP with  
you. In fact, you can do that much easier with IPv6 than IPv4, as  
folks like HE.net will be happy to run a tunnel and route you a /48.


On Nov 28, 2009, at 6:44 PM, "Christopher Mettin" <cmettin at gqbc-online.com 
 > wrote:

> ARIN Community,
> The ISP just doesn't corporate and we can't change it since the  
> state pays
> the contract and it has been renewed for 2 years some months ago.
> Hamachi doesn't work for us, I've tried it.
> And isn't charging a fee for a service the same as selling a good?  
> Both
> involve a thing and money traded.
> Sincerely yours,
> Christopher Mettin
> Gymnasium Querfurt High School
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Hess [mailto:mysidia at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:23 AM
> To: Christopher Mettin
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Continuation: Policy Change Request: IP  
> Address
> Assignment to Educational and Non-Commercial Organizations
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Christopher Mettin
> <cmettin at gqbc-online.com> wrote:
>> We just need maybe 2 or 3 blocks containing up to 255 hosts (of IP v4
>> addresses).
> If you need blocks of global IP addresses, ask your upstream ISP for
> the blocks to be assigned to the networks first. ISPs  receive blocks
> of IP addresses  for the sole purpose of delegating to customer
> networks. Provided the customer network has a  documented justifiable
> need for the amount of IPs.
> ARIN does not sell IP addresses.   IP addresses are not for sale,
> although, there are fees  involved in obtaining IPs from ARIN,  the
> main criteria, is you first must have a justifiable need  for  the
> minimum sized block,  that is
> You only go to ARIN if you need an allocation of least a /20 (4096
> ips), or  are multi-homed with 2 or more ISPs and  need at least a /22
> (1024 ips),  and can get the documentation to show that you will meet
> the utilization criteria.
> This is all described in the  Number Resources Policy Manual:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html
> If your ISP won't assign needed IPs to you, it might be time to switch
> ISPs or get a renegotiation of the contract with your ISP, including
> provisioning of  IP addresses that you have documented need for.
> If the ISP is not willing to work with you to get the IPs you need...
> then what good is it to get IPs delegated from ARIN  or from someone
> else?
> Only for your ISP to then tell you they aren't willing to announce the
> IP addresses for you,   or  to grant you a BGP feed  for announcing
> the space.
> Unless an ISP of yours does extra work to provide the connectivity,
> you'll have no means to actually use those newly acquired IPs:  it's
> not possible to simply assign one to your router and be done with it.
> Your ISP has to designate a static IP that your router can use.
> Your newly acquired IP block needs to get announced by some ISP
> connect to your  sites,  who is willing to forward traffic addressed
> to those IPs to your sites.
>> change every 24 hours. Static IP addresses allow us to allow a  
>> connection
>> establishment without allowing people other than our students to  
>> join. But
>> having dynamic IP addresses only, we are forced to allow access by  
>> the
>> entire ISP subnet which could mean a potential harm to our network.
> For such an application  I would suggest utilizing  PRIVATE IPs and  a
> VPN application,  for example you could subscribe to a service such as
> Hamachi  (for example)  to  create connections between locations.
> Only allow users to "share"  resources when connected to the VPN  
> service.
> Or  get your ISPs to provide each location at least 1 static IP for a
> VPN router:
> in that case, with a large number of schools, there is a good chance
> some would be already utilizing PRIVATE IPs,  and  some could be
> utilizing overlapping ranges.
> One might look  into  applying for   IP addresses for that
> non-connected  network,  then,  to avoid  conflicts with 10/8
> 172.16/12 and 192.168/16  addresses  already in use.
> --
> -J
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