[arin-ppml] Alternate ways to get IPv4 (Re: Policy Proposal 102: Reduce and Simplify IPv4 Initial Allocations)

Scott Leibrand scottleibrand at gmail.com
Tue Nov 10 19:54:57 EST 2009

Seth Mattinen wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > Seth Mattinen wrote:
> >> I don't remember. ARIN would have to find these orgs who are renting
> >> their space out to brokers and revoke it somehow to put a stop to it.
> >>
> >
> > No reason to.  ARIN charges org X with the spare space a fee, org X
> > charges org Y who needs space, a fee.  The main thing is that the IP
> > addressing is in use.  All Org's X responsibility to ARIN is that they
> > keep it utilized and maintain the SWIPS on it.
> >
> > Those people aren't the problem.  The problem are the orgs getting
> > the space then doing nothing with it.
> >
> I thought we weren't supposed to bypass ARIN to obtain IP addresses? 
> i.e. I can't qualify for an /18 via ARIN and probably not my upstreams 
> without lying, but I can via these guys because they don't care about 
> utilization plans.

The problem there is not that you're getting IPs from org X, it's that 
you're doing so while ignoring ARIN policy regarding reassignment of 
space to downstreams.  If org X gives out space on a justified basis, 
they can do so all they want.  It's when they (or an ISP, or any other 
LIR) decide that they don't care about utilization plans that we have a 
violation of ARIN policy.


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