[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 47, Issue 63

RudOlph Daniel rudi.daniel at gmail.com
Tue May 26 20:41:17 EDT 2009


>>Re Kevin's (transfer for monetary consideration if
> > you don't like the word sell)

2009-1 Section 8.3 starts: "IPv4 number resources...."  and Section 8.2
refers to all number resources ...or so I read it. ...8.2 also states that
ARIN will "Consider" requests and evaluate...So what happens when I am
refused a transfer request? Do I get my lawyers out ?

Reading 8.3 over and over again, I am beginning to ask myself if this clause
gives the all clear to profit from transfers...all be it ..under the table.

RD

>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Farmer [mailto:farmer at umn.edu]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:25 PM
> > To: arin ppml; Kevin Kargel
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2009-1 comment
> >
> > Kevin,
> >
> > Section 8.3 is supose to apply only to IPv4, Section 8.2, applies to
> IPv6,
> > and
> > ASNs, as well as IPv4.  So do you want 8.3 to apply to IPv6 and ASNs too?
> > If we made that change then you would be correct that Section 8.2 would
> > superfluous.  But as written in the text recommended by the AC, 8.2 is
> not
> > superfluous, and is very much needed in order to transact transfers for
> > IPv6
> > and ASNs in the case of change of ownership.
>
> Reading through the text of 2009-1 I don't find the references that say
> section 8.2 is for IP and 8.3 is for IPv4 ..
>
> Without the delimiting wording saying "This is for IP and that is for IPv4"
> then both sections technically apply to IPvX, regardless of what the
> intention was or what it was "supposed" to be.  As written in the text
> published at https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2009_1.html both
> sections
> will apply equally to IPv4 and IPv6, making 8.2 superfluous.
>
> If we rely on the intention then we will all be surprised when in the
> future
> someone says "But it doesn't say that in the NRPM and so as long as I
> follow
> the words in the NRPM I can do what I want.."  We need to be specific and
> if
> we are writing sections to apply to specific protocols then that needs to
> be
> spelled out in the words that are written in those sections.
>
> If I am wrong please point out to me the text that says that 8.3 applies to
> IPv4 but not IPv6 or ASN's and 8.2 applies to all IP and ASN's.  I have
> been
> wrong before once or twice, I could be again, but I do not see it in the
> text of the proposal.
>
> I want 8.3 to go away.  The rest of the proposal is great.  If we strike
> 8.3
> I will become a staunch supporter of 2009-1.
>
>
> >
> > On 26 May 2009 Kevin Kargel wrote:
> >
> > > Being that 2009-1 is listed as under discussion on ppml on
> > > https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html, I want to make
> > > another comment.  Section 8-2 is make completely superfluous as any
> > > transfers for the purpose of mergers and acquisitions could just as
> > > easily be handled under the sell it to anyone you want clauses in
> > > section 8-3.
> > >
> > > If you can sell IP addresses (transfer for monetary consideration if
> > > you don't like the word sell) to anyone for any reason, adding
> > > criteria to transfer address space for specific purposes already
> > > covered by the general clause is unnecessary. Either section 8-2 or
> > > 8-3 should be stricken from the proposal, as the inclusion of both is
> > > excessive and redundant verbiage.
> >
> >
> > ===============================================
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