<br>>>Re Kevin's (transfer for monetary consideration if<br>
> > you don't like the word sell)<br><br>2009-1 Section 8.3 starts: "IPv4 number resources...." and Section 8.2 refers to all number resources ...or so I read it. ...8.2 also states that ARIN will "Consider" requests and evaluate...So what happens when I am refused a transfer request? Do I get my lawyers out ?<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Reading 8.3 over and over again, I am beginning to ask myself if this clause gives the all clear to profit from transfers...all be it ..under the table.<br><br>RD <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: David Farmer [mailto:<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu">farmer@umn.edu</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:25 PM<br>
> To: arin ppml; Kevin Kargel<br>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2009-1 comment<br>
><br>
> Kevin,<br>
><br>
> Section 8.3 is supose to apply only to IPv4, Section 8.2, applies to IPv6,<br>
> and<br>
> ASNs, as well as IPv4. So do you want 8.3 to apply to IPv6 and ASNs too?<br>
> If we made that change then you would be correct that Section 8.2 would<br>
> superfluous. But as written in the text recommended by the AC, 8.2 is not<br>
> superfluous, and is very much needed in order to transact transfers for<br>
> IPv6<br>
> and ASNs in the case of change of ownership.<br>
<br>
Reading through the text of 2009-1 I don't find the references that say<br>
section 8.2 is for IP and 8.3 is for IPv4 ..<br>
<br>
Without the delimiting wording saying "This is for IP and that is for IPv4"<br>
then both sections technically apply to IPvX, regardless of what the<br>
intention was or what it was "supposed" to be. As written in the text<br>
published at <a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2009_1.html" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2009_1.html</a> both sections<br>
will apply equally to IPv4 and IPv6, making 8.2 superfluous.<br>
<br>
If we rely on the intention then we will all be surprised when in the future<br>
someone says "But it doesn't say that in the NRPM and so as long as I follow<br>
the words in the NRPM I can do what I want.." We need to be specific and if<br>
we are writing sections to apply to specific protocols then that needs to be<br>
spelled out in the words that are written in those sections.<br>
<br>
If I am wrong please point out to me the text that says that 8.3 applies to<br>
IPv4 but not IPv6 or ASN's and 8.2 applies to all IP and ASN's. I have been<br>
wrong before once or twice, I could be again, but I do not see it in the<br>
text of the proposal.<br>
<br>
I want 8.3 to go away. The rest of the proposal is great. If we strike 8.3<br>
I will become a staunch supporter of 2009-1.<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> On 26 May 2009 Kevin Kargel wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Being that 2009-1 is listed as under discussion on ppml on<br>
> > <a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html</a>, I want to make<br>
> > another comment. Section 8-2 is make completely superfluous as any<br>
> > transfers for the purpose of mergers and acquisitions could just as<br>
> > easily be handled under the sell it to anyone you want clauses in<br>
> > section 8-3.<br>
> ><br>
> > If you can sell IP addresses (transfer for monetary consideration if<br>
> > you don't like the word sell) to anyone for any reason, adding<br>
> > criteria to transfer address space for specific purposes already<br>
> > covered by the general clause is unnecessary. Either section 8-2 or<br>
> > 8-3 should be stricken from the proposal, as the inclusion of both is<br>
> > excessive and redundant verbiage.<br>
><br>
><br>
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