[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Sunset 2008-6 on schedule

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

OK, but I still am opposed to removal of a sunsetting
clause on this change - thus I still fully support
your proposal.

I also can't see how this proposal hitting the public before
the board's action is an error on your part.  YOU didn't post
your proposal to the mailing list, ARIN AKA  Member Services
did.  You merely sent a proposal to them.

If they HAD IMMEDIATELY documented this, it would not have
mattered if the proposal had gone out "early"

Ted


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com] 
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 11:28 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: 'Member Services'; arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Sunset 2008-6 on schedule
> 
> Ted,
> 	I don't think anyone was sweeping anything under the 
> rug.  I believe the board plans to document this decision 
> fully in the policy along with their public announcement of 
> the decision.
> 
> 	The fact that my proposal hit the public before the 
> board's announcement is an error on my part, for which I 
> sincerely apologize to the Board and to the community for the 
> confusion it has and will cause.
> 
> 	I am upset by the board's actions, and, I stand by my 
> proposal, but, the timing error is my fault and not an effort 
> by the board to cover anything up.
> I have the utmost respect for our board and believe that they 
> are people of integrity doing what they believe is best for 
> ARIN and the community.
> 
> Owen
> 
> On Mar 20, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> 
> > I fully support this.
> >
> > The disregarding of the "For a period of 3 years from policy 
> > implementation"
> > statement in the policy proposal was NOT mentioned AT ALL in the 
> > actual records of the policy proposal itself:
> >
> > https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2008_6.html
> >
> > For THIS REASON ALONE setting aside ALL OTHER discussion I 
> would be in 
> > favor of Owen's proposal.
> >
> > The COMPLETE implementation of ANY policy is a sacred 
> trust, and while 
> > I might condone the ARIN board's actions of removing the 
> sunset clause 
> > IF AN EXPLANATION WAS SUPPLIED IN THE POLICY RECORD the 
> fact that one 
> > WAS NOT and NO mention of this appears in the record is, in my 
> > opinion, far, far worse than the thwarting the will of the 
> community.
> >
> > It is one thing for ARIN to thwart the will of the community for 
> > reasons they feel are good and have a logical basis 
> (changed premises, 
> > etc.) It is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT for them to do so and SWEEP IT UNDER 
> > THE RUG by NOT documenting it in the proposal.
> >
> > So, are we going to have to now, check and verify every accepted 
> > proposal against the actual NRPM itself to make sure the 
> board didn't 
> > just "forget" to include something it didn't like?
> >
> > Fagh!
> >
> > Ted
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> >> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Member Services
> >> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:30 AM
> >> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> >> Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Sunset 2008-6 on schedule
> >>
> >> ARIN received the following policy proposal and is posting 
> it to the 
> >> Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) in accordance with Policy 
> >> Development Process.
> >>
> >> This proposal is in the first stage of the Policy Development 
> >> Process.
> >> ARIN staff will perform the Clarity and Understanding step.
> >> Staff does not evaluate the proposal at this time, their 
> goal is to 
> >> make sure that they understand the proposal and believe 
> the community 
> >> will as well.
> >> Staff will report their results to the ARIN Advisory Council
> >> (AC) within 10 days.
> >>
> >> The AC will review the proposal at their next regularly scheduled 
> >> meeting (if the period before the next regularly scheduled 
> meeting is 
> >> less than 10 days, then the period may be extended to the 
> subsequent 
> >> regularly scheduled meeting).
> >> The AC will decide how to utilize the proposal and announce the 
> >> decision to the PPML.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, the AC invites everyone to comment on the 
> proposal 
> >> on the PPML, particularly their support or non-support and the 
> >> reasoning behind their opinion. Such participation 
> contributes to a 
> >> thorough vetting and provides important guidance to the AC 
> in their 
> >> deliberations.
> >>
> >> The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:
> >> http://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
> >>
> >> Mailing list subscription information can be found at:
> >> http://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Member Services
> >> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> >>
> >>
> >> ## * ##
> >>
> >>
> >> Policy Proposal Name: Sunset 2008-6 on schedule
> >>
> >> Proposal Originator: Owen DeLong
> >>
> >> Proposal Version: 1.0
> >>
> >> Date: 19 March 2009
> >>
> >> Proposal type: delete
> >>
> >> Policy term: permanent
> >>
> >> Policy statement:
> >>
> >> Effective March 31, 2012, the changes made to the NRPM by policy 
> >> 2008-6 are to be deleted.
> >>
> >> Rationale:
> >>
> >> Part of the policy that the community developed consensus for in 
> >> 2008-6 included a sunset clause.  The ARIN Board in an 
> unprecedented 
> >> action chose to discard this clause while approving the 
> remainder of 
> >> the policy.
> >>
> >> This proposal is intended to restore the will of the community and 
> >> ensure that this policy remains temporary as intended.
> >>
> >> Timetable for implementation: March 31, 2012
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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