[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 93: Predicable IPv4 Run Out b Prefix Size - Revised

[Martin Hannigan]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Joe Maimon<jmaimon at chl.com> wrote:
>
> Martin Hannigan wrote:
>>>
>>> This proposal is better than nothing and might win some consensus this
>>> time
>>> around.
>>>
>>
>> I think that's unlikely myself.
>>
>
> Rather sad commentary, since the only thing shining through is the attitude
> "if I cant have it no one can".


Quite the opposite. My comments and suggested alternatives are
generally considerate of a) the region b) continuing to find some
method of providing v4 space to everyone in this region  until final
exhaustion and c) the rest of the regions. After regional exhaustion,
markets will undoubtedly take over entirely with regards to v4. This
is likely to occur in all RIR regions.

>>
>> We could instead simply raise the minimum allocation unit and raise
>> the bar of entry _for PI_, eliminate end user allocations altogether,
>> and start pushing people towards PA.
>>
>> Wouldn't that equalize the market for new entrants?
>
> No, since there isnt any more space available after 5 to 10 of the 80 large
> organizations per year get their requests fulfilled.

Their requests would include the needs of their customers.

>
> Making it easier (or harder) to get requests approved when there is no space
> to fulfill them is silly and pointless.
>
>> They should be
>> able to operate an ISP as long as they can get numbers. Period.
>>
>
> Exactly, and we should ensure that they can continue to do so.


Getting space from their upstream does not accomplish this?

-M<