[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 93: Predicable IPv4 Run Out b Prefix Size - Revised

[bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com]

 crwaling out from under the rock and onto the soapbax.

 Martin.  there is no exaustion here... there is full utilization.
	the trick here is to recast your thinking ... utilization is
	not when a block of size foo is released by ARIN (RIR) to an
	actor.  this has been the historical metric (IANA will exaust
	when the last /8 is handed over ot the RIR) and is a false measure.
	the RIRs are using HD ratios to measure utilization, which is 
	a somewhat better metric, but even that might be too ambgious
	going forward.

	once all the v4 space (as measured by /8) is fully utilized, its
	wise to change ones thinking. and we sort of have... by moving the
	utilization metric to a /22 or /24 (depending).
	using that technique, we still have some (perhaps a lot) of v4 space
	left.  but soon we will be in the postion where 
	all the v4 space (as measured by /24) is fully utilized.  but I'd make
	you the wager that there is still a whole lot of unused /28 and longer
	space that is fallow.  

	then the question is, how to squeeze better utilization out of the free space
	to aid in transtion?

	are /31 blocks of v4 space useful/usable going forward?  I'd say yes, but
	thats not a currently popular POV.

	so..  we are not exausting, we are (or should be) shooting for higher
	utilization of the space.

--bill



On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 04:54:59PM -0400, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Joe Maimon<jmaimon at chl.com> wrote:
> >
> > Martin Hannigan wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This proposal is better than nothing and might win some consensus this
> >>> time
> >>> around.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I think that's unlikely myself.
> >>
> >
> > Rather sad commentary, since the only thing shining through is the attitude
> > "if I cant have it no one can".
> 
> 
> Quite the opposite. My comments and suggested alternatives are
> generally considerate of a) the region b) continuing to find some
> method of providing v4 space to everyone in this region  until final
> exhaustion and c) the rest of the regions. After regional exhaustion,
> markets will undoubtedly take over entirely with regards to v4. This
> is likely to occur in all RIR regions.
> 
> >>
> >> We could instead simply raise the minimum allocation unit and raise
> >> the bar of entry _for PI_, eliminate end user allocations altogether,
> >> and start pushing people towards PA.
> >>
> >> Wouldn't that equalize the market for new entrants?
> >
> > No, since there isnt any more space available after 5 to 10 of the 80 large
> > organizations per year get their requests fulfilled.
> 
> Their requests would include the needs of their customers.
> 
> >
> > Making it easier (or harder) to get requests approved when there is no space
> > to fulfill them is silly and pointless.
> >
> >> They should be
> >> able to operate an ISP as long as they can get numbers. Period.
> >>
> >
> > Exactly, and we should ensure that they can continue to do so.
> 
> 
> Getting space from their upstream does not accomplish this?
> 
> -M<
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