[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-2: IPv4 Transfer Policy Proposal -Revised

[Kevin Kargel]

I think this is more of an operational issue than a policy issue.
Wouldn't it be better to work out a referral agreement with the other
registries where you refer requests to the proper registrar and they
refer requests to ARIN?  I don't know how you would do this other than
based on registration address, and there would be nothing preventing the
Tanzania hosting company from registering their network with a Canadian
address..  

Much the same situation exists with maritime ship registrations..  I
don't really see how to avoid or manage the issue.  

To restate my earlier posit..  Let's not make rules we can't enforce.
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Leibrand [mailto:sleibrand at internap.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:15 AM
> To: Kevin Kargel
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-2: IPv4 
> Transfer Policy Proposal -Revised
> 
> It doesn't say it must be used in North America.  It says it must be
> *registered* for use there.  That means it must be registered 
> with ARIN.
> 
> This is not (intended to be) a new restriction: we're just 
> trying to avoid having people come to us with LACNIC, 
> AFRINIC, RIPE, or APNIC space and asking ARIN to transfer it.
> 
> As I mentioned before, suggestions for improved wording are welcome.
> 
> -Scott
> 
> Kevin Kargel wrote:
> > I did not know that there was any way to control geographic 
> use area..  
> > So far as I know there is no way I can tell my router to 
> deny from Tanzania..
> > (sorry Tanzania, I don't hate you, I just had to pick somebody)..
> > 
> > Is there some BGP trick I don't know about that prevents me from 
> > advertising an out of area network?
> > 
> > If it cannot be policed then it shouldn't be in the 
> verbage.  Nothing 
> > will erode authority quicker than making rules you cannot enforce.
> > 
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> >> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Scott Leibrand
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:55 AM
> >> To: michael.dillon at bt.com
> >> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-2: IPv4 
> Transfer Policy 
> >> Proposal -Revised
> >>
> >> michael.dillon at bt.com wrote:
> >>>> * The IPv4 block must currently be registered for use
> >> within the ARIN
> >>>> service area.
> >>> What does this mean?
> >> The intent there is that it simply has to be ARIN space.  
> >> We're open to suggestions for improved wording.
> >>
> >>> Since when does ARIN restrict the use of IP address blocks
> >> to specific
> >>> geographical regions? Does the ARIN restriction apply only
> >> to use as a
> >>> source address, or also in the destination address field?
> >>>
> >>> To which organization should one apply if one want to receive IP 
> >>> address blocks which can be used globally without geographic 
> >>> restrictions?
> >> I don't believe IANA has any intent to distribute address space to 
> >> ISPs or end users that can be used globally without geographic 
> >> restrictions.  In the current system, addresses are allocated from 
> >> the registry in the region in which they are primarily to be used, 
> >> and we aren't trying to upset that apple cart just yet.
> >>
> >> -Scott
> >>
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