[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-2: IPv4 Transfer Policy Proposal -Revised

[Owen DeLong]

Not so much.  The different registries have different transfer  
policies (if
they have any at all).  I think the best thing is to make sure that  
ARIN policy
applies to space which is administered by ARIN and leave it at that.

Owen

On Sep 18, 2008, at 7:58 AM, Kevin Kargel wrote:

> I think this is more of an operational issue than a policy issue.
> Wouldn't it be better to work out a referral agreement with the other
> registries where you refer requests to the proper registrar and they
> refer requests to ARIN?  I don't know how you would do this other than
> based on registration address, and there would be nothing preventing  
> the
> Tanzania hosting company from registering their network with a  
> Canadian
> address..
>
> Much the same situation exists with maritime ship registrations..  I
> don't really see how to avoid or manage the issue.
>
> To restate my earlier posit..  Let's not make rules we can't enforce.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Leibrand [mailto:sleibrand at internap.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:15 AM
>> To: Kevin Kargel
>> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-2: IPv4
>> Transfer Policy Proposal -Revised
>>
>> It doesn't say it must be used in North America.  It says it must be
>> *registered* for use there.  That means it must be registered
>> with ARIN.
>>
>> This is not (intended to be) a new restriction: we're just
>> trying to avoid having people come to us with LACNIC,
>> AFRINIC, RIPE, or APNIC space and asking ARIN to transfer it.
>>
>> As I mentioned before, suggestions for improved wording are welcome.
>>
>> -Scott
>>
>> Kevin Kargel wrote:
>>> I did not know that there was any way to control geographic
>> use area..
>>> So far as I know there is no way I can tell my router to
>> deny from Tanzania..
>>> (sorry Tanzania, I don't hate you, I just had to pick somebody)..
>>>
>>> Is there some BGP trick I don't know about that prevents me from
>>> advertising an out of area network?
>>>
>>> If it cannot be policed then it shouldn't be in the
>> verbage.  Nothing
>>> will erode authority quicker than making rules you cannot enforce.
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
>>>> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Scott Leibrand
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:55 AM
>>>> To: michael.dillon at bt.com
>>>> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-2: IPv4
>> Transfer Policy
>>>> Proposal -Revised
>>>>
>>>> michael.dillon at bt.com wrote:
>>>>>> * The IPv4 block must currently be registered for use
>>>> within the ARIN
>>>>>> service area.
>>>>> What does this mean?
>>>> The intent there is that it simply has to be ARIN space.
>>>> We're open to suggestions for improved wording.
>>>>
>>>>> Since when does ARIN restrict the use of IP address blocks
>>>> to specific
>>>>> geographical regions? Does the ARIN restriction apply only
>>>> to use as a
>>>>> source address, or also in the destination address field?
>>>>>
>>>>> To which organization should one apply if one want to receive IP
>>>>> address blocks which can be used globally without geographic
>>>>> restrictions?
>>>> I don't believe IANA has any intent to distribute address space to
>>>> ISPs or end users that can be used globally without geographic
>>>> restrictions.  In the current system, addresses are allocated from
>>>> the registry in the region in which they are primarily to be used,
>>>> and we aren't trying to upset that apple cart just yet.
>>>>
>>>> -Scott
>>>>
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