[arin-ppml] A compromise on legacy space?

bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com
Wed Sep 10 17:32:07 EDT 2008

While I agree that times are tough fiscally, I note that 
often times, lower costs are reflective of percevied value.
if you truely beleive that your prefix has the same value 
as a "throw-away" domin from go-daddy - then I become concerned.
Carrying the domain analogy further, why shouldnt we allow
"address-tasting" etc...  

In this context, domains are nothing like addresses although
the registration/publication desires/requirements are (roughly) the

Back to the value proposition.  Back in the day, when I started
consulting, I charged USD50/hr ... and work was hard to come by.
A wise soul told me to raise my rates to USD250/hr - which I did,
and there was more work than I could shake a stick at.  Percieved

in real terms,
	25/yr  == 0.068/day  eg less than a dime.  
	100/yr == 0.274/day  eg a bit more than a quarter

your daily starbucks == 4.00

from a pragmatic point, it costs more to do the accounting to send/track
process a payment for 25/yr than the income - based on the size of ARIN
membership.  Even after adding all the potental legacy holders, it would not
break even.  Now if we were Bank of NewYork, or ConEd, with 100,000's of 
thousands of users - we could likely make up the difference in volume and

(ranting before the day really starts up)

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 02:09:30PM -0700, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:49:35 -0400, "Robert E. Seastrom" 
> <ppml at rs.seastrom.com> wrote:
> >That said, I think quibbling about $25 vs $100 for the yearly fee is
> >really kind of missing the point - ARIN has been charging $100/year
> >for directory services for ASNs for a long time.  That's $100/year to
> >keep your OrgID warm and make contact periodically, it has nothing to
> >do with the size of the allocation or number of objects your OrgID
> >points at...  if you (like I) have two legacy /24s and a legacy ASN,
> >your cost per year is still $100.
> True, but the idea here is *outreach* to people who are used to
> paying $0 per year.  Any way we can reduce the perception of a
> barrier will help induce them to sign.  Any barriers we leave up
> will do the opposite.  Like it or not, outside of ARIN the only
> Internet registration service most people are used to is the
> domain name registry, so that becomes the standard of comparison.
> By that standard, $25 is reasonable and $100 is outlandish, no
> matter what those who have been paying $100 for years may think.
> In that perspective, I think the $25 idea, which more than one 
> person on list has considered reasonable, will help further the
> goal of signing up all legacy holders who are still breathing.
> It's not a "quibble".  IMHO.
> --JHG <jhg at omsys.com>
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