[arin-ppml] ARIN releases new version of the Legacy Registration

[Richard Wooten]

Cort Buffington wrote:

>When I read Eric's post, which is outstanding by the way, I recall  
>what my fears were when I read the first LRSA offered to me (I have  
>not had time to read the new one yet). The way things were worded make  
>me feel kind of like this:
>
>"So this looks pretty good, except all of the language protecting  
>ARIN's ability to arbitrarily change the agreement in any way at any  
>time."
>
>And the first one did pretty much read that way. It's going to take a  
>long, long time to regain my trust. Interestingly enough, I trusted  
>ARIN before the one-sided contract and extortive sounding tactics of  
>the original LRSA. Whether intended or not, that's the way it came  
>across to me.
>
>Cheers,
>Cort
>
>  
>
Cort,

I'll second your statement...


Cheers,
Richard

>On Sep 7, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Howard, W. Lee wrote:
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>>Darn Windows (i.e., user fatfinger) sent message before I was ready.
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
>>>[mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Howard, W. Lee
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:23 AM
>>>To: Eric Westbrook; arin ppml
>>>Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN releases new version of the
>>>Legacy Registration
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>>>>From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
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>>>On Behalf Of Eric Westbrook
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>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:50 AM
>>>>To: arin ppml
>>>>Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN releases new version of the Legacy
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>>>Registration
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>>>>1.  Many legacy holders (myself included) want to formalize a
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>>>relationship
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>>>>with ARIN, and even engage in financial participation;
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>>>An excellent start.
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>>>>2.  Many legacy holders (myself included) are reluctant, to put it
>>>>mildly, to sacrifice ultimate control of their number
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>>>resources -- and
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>>>>even more so to pay for the dubious privilege;
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>>I see that.  Can you specify in excrutiating detail what
>>control you yield?  I think you mean that you don't believe
>>you should be required to release your address space under
>>any circumstances.  I think the few circumstances remaining
>>in the LRSA are reasonable; can you list the ones you think
>>are unfair?
>>
>>Let me put my perspective this way. . . we worked hard to
>>rewrite the LRSA so that the only circumstances under which
>>you would cede your addresses to ARIN were under your control.
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>>By "we" I mean "that's what I was trying to do."
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>>>	5.  If any legacy holdings are to be seized, the
>>>prevailing sentiment seems to prefer doing so with the
>>>unreachable and/or apathetic holders, and not with the
>>>cooperative and participating ones;
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>>I'm not sure I've seen that stated explicitly, but that seems
>>like a reasonable preference.  That would include falling
>>out of touch/compliance with the LRSA, too (if signed).
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>>>	6.  Finally, by many if not all accounts, reallocating,
>>>reclaiming, and/or revoking legacy holdings simply isn't
>>>likely to ameliorate ipv4 exhaustion (or ramifications
>>>thereof) to any truly significant or meaningful degree.
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>>I concede that.  That's why I didn't argue that legacy holders
>>must be able to show utilization (whether under current
>>policies, RFC2050, or the policies or use stated at the time
>>of original assignment).
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>>>Eric
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>>Thank you for your reasonable tone and contribution.
>>
>>Lee
>>
>>Disclaimer:  I wrote this, nobody else, and it's entirely possible
>>that other Board members, ARIN staff, General Counsel, or my wife
>>will disagree or remember differently.
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