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Cort Buffington wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">When I read Eric's post, which is outstanding by the way, I recall
what my fears were when I read the first LRSA offered to me (I have
not had time to read the new one yet). The way things were worded make
me feel kind of like this:
"So this looks pretty good, except all of the language protecting
ARIN's ability to arbitrarily change the agreement in any way at any
time."
And the first one did pretty much read that way. It's going to take a
long, long time to regain my trust. Interestingly enough, I trusted
ARIN before the one-sided contract and extortive sounding tactics of
the original LRSA. Whether intended or not, that's the way it came
across to me.
Cheers,
Cort
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Cort,<br>
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I'll second your statement...<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Richard<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Sep 7, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Howard, W. Lee wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Darn Windows (i.e., user fatfinger) sent message before I was ready.
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>
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Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:23 AM
To: Eric Westbrook; arin ppml
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN releases new version of the
Legacy Registration
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<pre wrap="">On Behalf Of Eric Westbrook
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<pre wrap="">Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:50 AM
To: arin ppml
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN releases new version of the Legacy
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<pre wrap="">Registration
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<pre wrap="">1. Many legacy holders (myself included) want to formalize a
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<pre wrap="">relationship
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<pre wrap="">with ARIN, and even engage in financial participation;
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<pre wrap="">An excellent start.
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<pre wrap="">2. Many legacy holders (myself included) are reluctant, to put it
mildly, to sacrifice ultimate control of their number
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<pre wrap="">resources -- and
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<pre wrap="">even more so to pay for the dubious privilege;
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<pre wrap="">I see that. Can you specify in excrutiating detail what
control you yield? I think you mean that you don't believe
you should be required to release your address space under
any circumstances. I think the few circumstances remaining
in the LRSA are reasonable; can you list the ones you think
are unfair?
Let me put my perspective this way. . . we worked hard to
rewrite the LRSA so that the only circumstances under which
you would cede your addresses to ARIN were under your control.
By "we" I mean "that's what I was trying to do."
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<pre wrap=""> 5. If any legacy holdings are to be seized, the
prevailing sentiment seems to prefer doing so with the
unreachable and/or apathetic holders, and not with the
cooperative and participating ones;
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<pre wrap="">I'm not sure I've seen that stated explicitly, but that seems
like a reasonable preference. That would include falling
out of touch/compliance with the LRSA, too (if signed).
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<pre wrap=""> 6. Finally, by many if not all accounts, reallocating,
reclaiming, and/or revoking legacy holdings simply isn't
likely to ameliorate ipv4 exhaustion (or ramifications
thereof) to any truly significant or meaningful degree.
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<pre wrap="">I concede that. That's why I didn't argue that legacy holders
must be able to show utilization (whether under current
policies, RFC2050, or the policies or use stated at the time
of original assignment).
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<pre wrap="">Eric
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<pre wrap="">Thank you for your reasonable tone and contribution.
Lee
Disclaimer: I wrote this, nobody else, and it's entirely possible
that other Board members, ARIN staff, General Counsel, or my wife
will disagree or remember differently.
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