[arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity

[Jo Rhett]

I am suggesting that the space gets recovered for reassignment.   This  
is significantly more consequential to people than paying a fee, and  
achieves the original goal of the proposal.

On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> You CANNOT get people to do anything without a consequence if
> they fail to do it.  If you subtract fees from this embryonic
> proposal, the only thing ARIN has left to compel people to
> document their network is the threat of not allowing them to
> obtain more IPv4 numbering.  A threat that is meaningless unless
> the requestor has need of more IPv4.
>
> And guess what?  Requiring people to document their utilization
> is ALREADY A REQUIREMENT for obtaining additional IPv4!!
>
> Please refrain from re-inventing the wheel.
>
> Ted
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
>> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jo Rhett
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:09 PM
>> To: Chris Grundemann
>> Cc: ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity
>>
>>
>> Stop at the first paragraph.   Fees won't work.   They will
>> either be
>> protested or people will happily pay them to avoid having to
>> renumber.  And letting organizations return just part of
>> their unused
>> space is a very odd precedent.
>>
>> I would support a proposal based around the first paragraph, without
>> mention of fees or weird "dribble-back" schemes.
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Chris Grundemann wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Jo Rhett <jrhett at svcolo.com> wrote:
>>>> I find myself agreeing with Michael on every point.  The
>> utilization
>>>> documentation is good.  Fees won't work, and the weird policy stuff
>>>> is
>>>> confusing.
>>>
>>> Is it my explanation that is confusing or the policy wording itself?
>>>
>>> I tried to keep the policy itself short and direct:
>>>
>>> Once every 12months each holder of IPv4 addresses is
>> required to fully
>>> document their IP utilization and demonstrate that the current
>>> utilization standard for IPv4 assignments and allocations is being
>>> met. This shall include all currently held IPv4 space,
>> regardless of
>>> origin or registration status.
>>>
>>> A fee shall be assessed for underutilization or insufficient
>>> documentation.
>>>
>>>   * The fee for one 12m period shall be waived if the
>> address holder
>>> returns a contiguous block of IPv4 space equal to at least
>> 1/256th of
>>> currently held space and no less than one /24 (class C
>> equivalent) to
>>> ARINs free pool.
>>>   * The fee for one 12m period shall be waived if the
>> address holder
>>> signs an ARIN RSA for any uncontested and unregistered IPv4 space,
>>> this waiver shall be restricted to one use per member organization.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:11 AM, <michael.dillon at bt.com>
>>>> <michael.dillon at bt.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Once every 12months each holder of IPv4 addresses is required to
>>>>>> fully document their IP utilization and demonstrate that the
>>>>>> current utilization standard for IPv4 assignments and
>> allocations
>>>>>> is being met. This shall include all currently held IPv4 space,
>>>>>> regardless of origin or registration status.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like this. It is broadly in line with the NANPA processes for
>>>>> reporting on telephone number utilisation, i.e. there is
>> precedent
>>>>> for this kind of reporting.
>>>>>
>>>>>> A fee shall be assessed for underutilization or insufficient
>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure punitive measures will pass.
>>>>>
>>>>>>  * The fee for one 12m period shall be waived if the address
>>>>>> holder returns a contiguous block of IPv4 space equal to
>> at least
>>>>>> 1/256th of currently held space and no less than one /24
>> (class C
>>>>>> equivalent) to ARINs free pool.
>>>>>>  * The fee for one 12m period shall be waived if the address
>>>>>> holder signs an ARIN RSA for any uncontested and
>> unregistered IPv4
>>>>>> space, this waiver shall be restricted to one use per member
>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> These points are completely separate from the main point. Also,
>>>>> since ARIN members set the fees, not the policymakers,
>> this detail
>>>>> should not be in a policy proposal.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Michael Dillon _______________________________________________
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>>>> Jo Rhett
>>>> senior geek
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Jo Rhett
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>>
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