[arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

You CANNOT get people to do anything without a consequence if
they fail to do it.  If you subtract fees from this embryonic
proposal, the only thing ARIN has left to compel people to
document their network is the threat of not allowing them to
obtain more IPv4 numbering.  A threat that is meaningless unless
the requestor has need of more IPv4.

And guess what?  Requiring people to document their utilization
is ALREADY A REQUIREMENT for obtaining additional IPv4!!

Please refrain from re-inventing the wheel.

Ted


> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net 
> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jo Rhett
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:09 PM
> To: Chris Grundemann
> Cc: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity
> 
> 
> Stop at the first paragraph.   Fees won't work.   They will 
> either be  
> protested or people will happily pay them to avoid having to  
> renumber.  And letting organizations return just part of 
> their unused  
> space is a very odd precedent.
> 
> I would support a proposal based around the first paragraph, without  
> mention of fees or weird "dribble-back" schemes.
> 
> On Oct 28, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Chris Grundemann wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Jo Rhett <jrhett at svcolo.com> wrote:
> >> I find myself agreeing with Michael on every point.  The 
> utilization 
> >> documentation is good.  Fees won't work, and the weird policy stuff
> >> is
> >> confusing.
> >
> > Is it my explanation that is confusing or the policy wording itself?
> >
> > I tried to keep the policy itself short and direct:
> >
> > Once every 12months each holder of IPv4 addresses is 
> required to fully 
> > document their IP utilization and demonstrate that the current 
> > utilization standard for IPv4 assignments and allocations is being 
> > met. This shall include all currently held IPv4 space, 
> regardless of 
> > origin or registration status.
> >
> > A fee shall be assessed for underutilization or insufficient
> > documentation.
> >
> >    * The fee for one 12m period shall be waived if the 
> address holder 
> > returns a contiguous block of IPv4 space equal to at least 
> 1/256th of 
> > currently held space and no less than one /24 (class C 
> equivalent) to 
> > ARINs free pool.
> >    * The fee for one 12m period shall be waived if the 
> address holder 
> > signs an ARIN RSA for any uncontested and unregistered IPv4 space, 
> > this waiver shall be restricted to one use per member organization.
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:11 AM, <michael.dillon at bt.com> 
> >> <michael.dillon at bt.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Once every 12months each holder of IPv4 addresses is required to 
> >>>> fully document their IP utilization and demonstrate that the 
> >>>> current utilization standard for IPv4 assignments and 
> allocations 
> >>>> is being met. This shall include all currently held IPv4 space, 
> >>>> regardless of origin or registration status.
> >>>
> >>> I like this. It is broadly in line with the NANPA processes for 
> >>> reporting on telephone number utilisation, i.e. there is 
> precedent 
> >>> for this kind of reporting.
> >>>
> >>>> A fee shall be assessed for underutilization or insufficient 
> >>>> documentation.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure punitive measures will pass.
> >>>
> >>>>   * The fee for one 12m period shall be waived if the address 
> >>>> holder returns a contiguous block of IPv4 space equal to 
> at least 
> >>>> 1/256th of currently held space and no less than one /24 
> (class C 
> >>>> equivalent) to ARINs free pool.
> >>>>   * The fee for one 12m period shall be waived if the address 
> >>>> holder signs an ARIN RSA for any uncontested and 
> unregistered IPv4 
> >>>> space, this waiver shall be restricted to one use per member 
> >>>> organization.
> >>>
> >>> These points are completely separate from the main point. Also, 
> >>> since ARIN members set the fees, not the policymakers, 
> this detail 
> >>> should not be in a policy proposal.
> >>>
> >>> --Michael Dillon _______________________________________________
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> >> --
> >> Jo Rhett
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> >>
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> >>
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> -- 
> Jo Rhett
> senior geek
> 
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