[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-4 - Staff Assessment

[bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com]

	the staff recommendation was to -exclude- these from
	the specific proposals dealing w/ caribbean issues on
	minimum allocation sizes.

--bill


On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 02:28:01PM -0700, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> Interesting stuff.  As all of these are either uninhabited or are 
> territories of RIPE and APNIC countries, it sounds to me like no changes 
> to the policy are needed.  If anyone representing these locations 
> disagrees, please speak up: you'll be the most authoritative one here.  :)
> 
> -Scott
> 
> Leo Bicknell wrote:
> > In a message written on Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 02:07:45PM -0700, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> >> Does staff's understanding of the geographic applicability of this policy 
> >> proposal match the intent of the authors and supporters?  I'm not sure 
> >> whether the Bouvet Islands, US Minor Outlying Islands, St Pierre and 
> >> Miquelon, Heard and McDonald Islands and/or St Helena fit within the 
> >> intended scope or not...
> > 
> > I had to research.  With the exception of the US Minor Outlying
> > Islands I think the rest would be rather surprised to find that
> > they were "Caribbean", at least if climate has anything to do with
> > it.  :)
> > 
> > That said, there is still an interesting question here if they
> > should be included in the policy for the same general reasons as
> > the Caribbean islands, some info, and my take below.
> > 
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouvet_Island
> > 
> >   "Despite being uninhabited, ..."
> > 
> >   My take: Doesn't really matter.
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Minor_Outlying_Islands
> > 
> >   "The United States Minor Outlying Islands, a statistical designation
> >    defined by the International Organization for Standardization's ISO
> >    3166-1 code, consists of nine United States insular areas.
> > 
> >    Palmyra Atoll is the only incorporated territory. As of 2008, none of
> >    the islands has any permanent residents. The only population are
> >    temporarily stationed scientific and military personnel..."
> > 
> >   My take: Doesn't really matter.
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon
> > 
> >   "The population of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon at the 2006 local census
> >    was 6,125 inhabitants."
> > 
> >   My take: Seems like they would likely have the same issues as the
> >            Caribbean.
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heard_Island_and_McDonald_Islands
> > 
> >   "Heard Island and McDonald Islands (abbreviated as HIMI[1]) are barren
> >    islands located in the Southern Ocean, about two-thirds of the way from
> >    Madagascar to Antarctica, 7718 km due south of Rajapur, Maharashtra,
> >    India[2] and approximately 4099 km west of Perth.[3] They have been
> >    territories of Australia since 1947..."
> > 
> >   My take: Why isn't this in APNIC?  It's been an Australia territory
> >            since before the RIR system.  I'd like a history lesson as
> >            to why this stayed with ARIN.
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Helena
> > 
> >   "Saint Helena has a small population of about 4,250 inhabitants,..."
> > 
> >   My take: Seems like they would likely have the same issues as the
> >            Caribbean.  LACNIC / AfriNIC would seem to make more sense
> >            from a geographic point of view, but RIPE from a geopolitical
> >            point of view.  Seems a bit odd this one stayed with ARIN as
> >            well.
> > 
> > That was an educational diversion.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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