[arin-ppml] Address Range transfer question

Tue Aug 19 17:26:04 EDT 2008

To put it simply, no, you can't do that.

For starters, ISP's like cogent are allocated blocks

Customers like Bard College that did not meet the
minimum requirements for direct allocations were
assigned parts of these blocks by their ISPs

Your original 192.76.239.0/24 was directly allocated
to you by ARIN (or it's predicessor) before the
minimum allocation requirements were put into place.
It is a "legacy allocation"

Your  192.246.229.0/24 was ASSIGNED to you by PSInet.
It was NOT "sold" to you.  PSInet had no legal authority
to "sell" blocks to customers at the time, and in
fact, NEVER had such authority.  (what they thought
they had is a different matter of course)

Cogentco took over the psinet name and for
whatever reason is still using it.  At that time
they got the blocks allocated to psinet, which
included your assignment.

The only way to give you the 192.246.229.0/24 would
be for Cogent to give back the ENTIRE  192.246.0.0/16
to ARIN and for ARIN to split it up.  That won't happen,
trust me.

Basically, if you want to get your own block, (I
am assuming you have a total of 4 /24's somewhere)
you can request a /22 from ARIN.  You will need to
turn back in your legacy /24's to ARIN and your
assigned /24's to cogent.  Yes, you will need to renumber.
You get a year to run both the new and old blocks to
complete your renumber.  You also will need to be
multihomed, and you will need to register your own
AS number to be multihomed.

You also will need to begin paying the yearly fees to
ARIN for the portable block.

If you have the SLIGHTEST interest in doing this I
would advise you to do it IMMEDIATELY.  Once IPv4
runs out in a few years, people like you who want small
IPv4 allocations will be frozen out of the process.  The
reason is that any "brokers" of IPv4 that come about will
be dealing with large, expensive, allocations not small-fry
/22's.

Ted

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net 
> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Stewart Dean
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:57 PM
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: [arin-ppml] Address Range transfer question
> 
> 
> Once upon a time, we acquired the use of 12 Class C address 
> ranges from PSINet, 
> which was went under and had some of its property acquired by 
> Cogentco in 2002. Shortly before it did, I got a signed 
> letter from the PSINet Manager of Shared 
> Services which stated:
> "In accordance with the ARIN database, and the contract 
> signed by your 
> organization at the start of service with PSINet, these 
> blocks were purchased by 
> Bard College from PSINet
> 192.246.224.0  BARD-NET1
> ..... through .....
> 192.246.235.9  BARD-NET12"
> 
> These now show up in the ARIN WHOIS like this:
> 
> OrgName:    Performance Systems International Inc.
> OrgID:      PSI
> Address:    1015 31st St NW
> City:       Washington
> StateProv:  DC
> PostalCode: 20007
> Country:    US
> 
> NetRange:   192.246.0.0 - 192.246.255.255
> CIDR:       192.246.0.0/16
> NetName:    NETBLK-PSINET-C2
> NetHandle:  NET-192-246-0-0-1
> Parent:     NET-192-0-0-0-0
> NetType:    Direct Allocation
> NameServer: NS.PSI.NET
> NameServer: NS2.PSI.NET
> Comment:
> RegDate:    1992-10-23
> Updated:    2002-08-08
> 
> RTechHandle: PSI-NISC-ARIN
> RTechName:   IP Allocation
> RTechPhone:  +1-877-875-4311
> RTechEmail:  ipalloc at cogentco.com
> 
> OrgAbuseHandle: COGEN-ARIN
> OrgAbuseName:   Cogent Abuse
> OrgAbusePhone:  +1-877-875-4311
> OrgAbuseEmail:  abuse at cogentco.com
> 
> OrgNOCHandle: ZC108-ARIN
> OrgNOCName:   Cogent Communications
> OrgNOCPhone:  +1-877-875-4311
> OrgNOCEmail:  noc at cogentco.com
> 
> OrgTechHandle: IPALL-ARIN
> OrgTechName:   IP Allocation
> OrgTechPhone:  +1-877-875-4311
> OrgTechEmail:  ipalloc at cogentco.com
> 
> OrgName:    Bard College
> OrgID:      BARDCO
> Address:    Henderson Computer Center
> Address:    P.O. Box 5000
> City:       Annandale
> StateProv:  NY
> PostalCode: 12504
> Country:    US
> 
> NetRange:   192.246.229.0 - 192.246.229.255
> CIDR:       192.246.229.0/24
> NetName:    BARD-NET6
> NetHandle:  NET-192-246-229-0-1
> Parent:     NET-192-246-0-0-1
> NetType:    Reassigned
> Comment:
> RegDate:    1993-08-09
> Updated:    2000-09-15
> 
> RTechHandle: SD203-ARIN
> RTechName:   Dean, Stewart
> RTechPhone:  +1-845-758-7475
> RTechEmail:  sdean at bard.edu
> 
> OrgTechHandle: IPTEC15-ARIN
> OrgTechName:   IPTech
> OrgTechPhone:  +1-845-758-7475
> OrgTechEmail:  iptech at bard.edu
> 
> OrgTechHandle: IPBIL1-ARIN
> OrgTechName:   IPBill
> OrgTechPhone:  +1-845-758-7183
> OrgTechEmail:  ipbill at bard.edu
> 
> We are hoping we can get these ranges directly assigned to us 
> so they appear 
> like the two Class Cs we are directly assigned, which look like this:
> 
> OrgName:    Bard College
> OrgID:      BARDCO
> Address:    Henderson Computer Center
> Address:    P.O. Box 5000
> City:       Annandale
> StateProv:  NY
> PostalCode: 12504
> Country:    US
> 
> NetRange:   192.76.239.0 - 192.76.239.255
> CIDR:       192.76.239.0/24
> NetName:    BARD1
> NetHandle:  NET-192-76-239-0-1
> Parent:     NET-192-0-0-0-0
> NetType:    Direct Assignment
> NameServer: NS1.BARD.EDU
> NameServer: MERCURY.BARD.EDU
> NameServer: SHELL.BARD.EDU
> NameServer: BARD.POINTNORTHNETWORKS.COM
> Comment:
> RegDate:    1990-10-08
> Updated:    2008-03-12
> 
> RAbuseHandle: IPADM392-ARIN
> RAbuseName:   IPAdmin
> RAbusePhone:  +1-845-758-7495
> RAbuseEmail:  ipadmin at bard.edu
> 
> RNOCHandle: IPBIL1-ARIN
> RNOCName:   IPBill
> RNOCPhone:  +1-845-758-7183
> RNOCEmail:  ipbill at bard.edu
> 
> RTechHandle: IPTEC15-ARIN
> RTechName:   IPTech
> RTechPhone:  +1-845-758-7475
> RTechEmail:  iptech at bard.edu
> 
> OrgTechHandle: IPTEC15-ARIN
> OrgTechName:   IPTech
> OrgTechPhone:  +1-845-758-7475
> OrgTechEmail:  iptech at bard.edu
> 
> OrgTechHandle: IPBIL1-ARIN
> OrgTechName:   IPBill
> OrgTechPhone:  +1-845-758-7183
> OrgTechEmail:  ipbill at bard.edu
> 
> Can this be done?  Do we have any rights?  Has anyone done 
> this?  What sort of 
> burnt offering are required?
> 
> -- 
> ====
> Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources 
> Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York  12504 
> sdean at bard.edu  voice: 845-758-7475, fax: 845-758-7035 
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