[ppml] getting converts to V6

[Stephen Sprunk]

Thus spake "Kevin Kargel" <kkargel at polartel.com>
> I am glad you wrote in.  I see so many people here trying to
> arrange things so that they can make more money, and are
> not worrying about what will make the internet(s) actually work
> better.  Forcing people to make changes with artificially
> inflated costs is just plain bad practice, except of course for
> the guy that's collecting the fees.

Since the "guy" collecting the fees is actually a non-profit org that works 
on a cost-recovery basis, at most one could say that the fees are 
disproportionately applied.

> I really don't understand the push to force people over to IPv6
> and make them abandon their v4 space.

I don't see anyone attempting to "force" people to v6 or "make them abandon" 
v4.  There have been discussions about (a) reclaiming v4 space that is 
_already_ abandoned, (b) reclaiming v4 space that is not needed but still 
held by legacy orgs (but not touching what is actually needed), and/or (c) 
enticing people to add v6 to their v4 networks (which won't go away any time 
soon).  These things tend to come up in the same discussions regarding the 
pending apocalypse, but they're not tied together.

> If the v4 space is meeting their needs why not let them run with
> it?  Eventually they will need to migrate over when resources
> and content are only available on v6, but why bully them into
> changing? I doubt that those little folks are providing much
> content that is vital to your network.

Ah, but the theory goes that by holding on to space (particularly /8s and 
/16s) that they don't need, they will eventually prevent people who _do_ 
provide valuable content from being able to get v4 space.  Depending on your 
perspective, that may be a good or bad thing.

> If you bully guys out there are really so into the almighty dollar,
> then why not change to an industry that is all about money and
> has nothing to do with ethics or morality..  something like TV
> evangalism maybe..

I don't see any bullies here; I see a lot of people who have varying ideas 
of what's in the best interests of the community based on their varying 
experiences and perspectives.  That is to be expected.

Plus, the monetary debate here has little to do with ARIN's fees at present; 
for most orgs, the cost of getting IPv6 space (even without a waiver) is a 
rounding error compared to the capital and operational expenses necessary to 
dual-stack a network, and ARIN has absolutely no control over that.  Until 
that problem is solved, debating fees and waivers is a waste of valuable 
time.

S

Stephen Sprunk      "Those people who think they know everything
CCIE #3723         are a great annoyance to those of us who do."
K5SSS                                             --Isaac Asimov