[ppml] getting converts to V6

Wed May 16 14:27:47 EDT 2007

 Here Here John!

I am glad you wrote in.  I see so many people here trying to arrange
things so that they can make more money, and are not worrying about what
will make the internet(s) actually work better.  Forcing people to make
changes with artificially inflated costs is just plain bad practice,
except of course for the guy that's collecting the fees.  

I really don't understand the push to force people over to IPv6 and make
them abandon their v4 space.  If the v4 space is meeting their needs why
not let them run with it?  Eventually they will need to migrate over
when resources and content are only available on v6, but why bully them
into changing? I doubt that those little folks are providing much
content that is vital to your network.  

The migration to IPv6 will happen.  It will happen whether we riot an
run amok, and it will happen if we sit passively and watch.  I suspect
that it will happen on nearly the same schedule in either case.  Those
who are aware and forward thinking will have a more seamless and
inexpensive transition, those who wait till the last minute will have a
harder time of it and spend more money.  But it is still their choice,
We can educate, but we don't have the right to drag them along kicking
and screaming.

If you bully guys out there are really so into the almighty dollar, then
why not change to an industry that is all about money and has nothing to
do with ethics or morality..  something like TV evangalism maybe..  

Kevin

$s/worry/happy,g 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On 
> Behalf Of John Santos
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:42 PM
> To: PPML at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [ppml] getting converts to V6
> 
> 
> 
> I have no problem with the current policy.  I have my class C 
> and don't need any more.
> 
> However, you people do seem to have a problem and want to 
> force us little guys into selling our souls to some big ISP, 
> except we don't get anything from this, instead we have to 
> pay through the nose.
> 
> How much does it actually cost to maintain a single record, a 
> few hundred bytes of information that never changes?
> 
> As best I can tell, you would want to charge me several 
> hundred dollars a year, close to a dollar per address, 
> whereas large ISPs get addresses for a fraction of a penny per year.
> 
> 
> You guys want people to jump on the IPv6 bandwagon.  You 
> really want them to jump on the money wagon.
> 
> Not bloody likely.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 16 May 2007, Bill Darte wrote:
> 
> > Oh, and by the way...
> > You seem to feel strongly about such an ARIN policy, perhaps you 
> > should propose it.  I or any other AC member would be happy to help 
> > you craft the proposal and ensure that it wide distribution for 
> > possible consensus.
> > 
> > bd
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wherrin at gmail.com [mailto:wherrin at gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
> > > William Herrin
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:08 PM
> > > To: Bill Darte
> > > Cc: PPML at arin.net
> > > Subject: Re: [ppml] getting converts to V6
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 5/16/07, Bill Darte <BillD at cait.wustl.edu> wrote:
> > > > Yup...you've had a free ride and are still getting a free ride 
> > > > administratively from ARIN and to think that privelege
> > > should entitle
> > > > you to more free privelege seems removed from reality.
> > > 
> > > Bill,
> > > 
> > > That's what the objections to automatically assigning v6 space to 
> > > all current v4 holders boil down to. The legacy v4 holders didn't 
> > > pay their fair share of the ARIN boards' plane tickets to Puerto 
> > > Rico. During the transition to IPv6 you want to correct this 
> > > "mistake."
> > > 
> > > IPv4 space is running out and IPv6 is not on track to wide 
> > > deployment prior to that crunch. Is it good judgement to pursue a 
> > > trifling inequity in the face of a looming crisis?
> > > 
> > > If being unfair helps get IPv6 deployed to ubiquity, DO IT.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Bill Herrin
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > William D. Herrin                  herrin at dirtside.com  
> bill at herrin.us
> > > 3005 Crane Dr.                        Web: 
> <http://bill.herrin.us/>
> > > Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
> > > 
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