[ppml] getting converts to V6

[Heather Schiller]

On Wed, 16 May 2007, Jeroen Massar wrote:

> [somebody wrote off-list, replying on-list, bcc'd to the replyer]
>
>> $2400 per year is not a small fee.  It is $200 per month.
>> Add 2 T1's to that and you get $1500/Month.
>> That is more than a house man, just to run BGP and be ISP independent.
>
> You pay <1500/month for a house? Which place is that?
> That is what you pay for a single room over here.
>
> Strange pricing, I think you are being ripped off for a T1 @ $650/month.
> To put it in another way, you are paying $1300*12 = $15600/year for IP
> but can't pay $2400 for the actual addresses!? And forgetting all about
> the factors like hardware, power, humans involved etc. Skewed world.
>
>> That's a big expense just to be ISP independent.
>
> It is indeed a huge privilege to be ISP independent. It takes a lot of
> knowledge and investment of various things to do it correctly.
> If you are incapable of doing that, then please don't. There are enough
> unmanaged networks on the Internet already and really another couple of
> them is something to avoid.
>
>> ARIN's frugle policy is killing the Internet off for all but the rich.
>> ARIN's annual budget is 10 million dollars, the fat cats need to just give
>> out the rest of the Ips already so we can move on to the next stage of the
>> Internet.
>
> They are a not for profit organization. As such they don't make a profit.
>
> If you don't like the billing schemes, then create a proposal and submit
> it, get people to vote for it and it will be passed. You will be able to
> get IP addresses for 'free' and they will for sure all be gone soon
> enough, with a lot of other people coming a bit later complaining about
> it. Of course they would still have to justify that address space before
> they get it.


I'm sure someone else will jump in here and say this too -- but billing 
fees aren't set by policy proposal and aren't set by the 
community/membership.  I think that would be the board.. (and if it is, 
well, members are the folks who vote for 'em)


>
>> By dragging out IPV4 you are only damaging the Internet by driving the price
>> of IP space to the moon.
>
> When oil runs out, what happens to the price of oil? Now repeat the same
> question for IPv4 space. (That is if you actually are so stupid to pay
> for it to somebody else when ARIN asks only a mere $1500/year)
>
>> The way they are doing it now in 5 years a single class C will go for
>> $100,000 dollars on the IP black market.
>
> Better hold on to your /24 then. (It's /24, Classes where deprecated in
> 1993, which is already 14 years ago, see RFC1519)
>
> Clearly, if it is going to be worth 100k, then your feeble $200/month to
> ARIN is nothing now is it. Better invest on time ;)
>
> Greets,
> Jeroen
>
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